I understand money wise :)
And thanks for your report this is really interesting and worht  
experience.
in the Genie implementation you used did you check if the primitives  
was there?

Stef

On 6 oct. 06, at 05:38, Aaron Reichow wrote:

> Stef-
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, stephane ducasse wrote:
>
>> did you try Genie on it. Because I remember that nathanael optimized
>> Genie.
>
> When I was working on Dynapad, I had begun to do some work with Genie.
> However, a lot of my work was intitially focused on CharRecog.  
> Basically,
> I had gotten it to a point where it was useful enough for me that  
> Genie
> wasn't a priority. Genie is really cool, really powerful, way more
> extensible, and can do a million things more than CharRecog.  
> However, it
> is also slow (on PDA hardware) and IMHO it is confusing to figure  
> out what
> to do with it, how to configure it, etc.  If the platform were a PC/ 
> Mac
> tablet, then Genie it would be, and the work would be worth it- Genie
> would let us do a lot more than enter text- with enough energy put  
> into
> it, it could become a complete gesture control system for a PDA.   
> Genie is
> where I will begin to focus my efforts when I have a PDA-type  
> device with
> enough power, but until then I will be sticking with some other  
> solutions.
> Genie isn't that bad on a fast enough high-end PDA, but even on a  
> Zaurus
> C760 (400 MHz PXA255) or a Dell Axim X51v (624 MHz XScale), I found  
> Genie
> frustrating at times in 'real world' use compared to Genie.
>
> For those who want to use Genie for a PDA-type system, I would suggest
> getting a computer like the OQO or the Sony VAIO UX-series for  
> something
> very close to the size of PocketPC PDAs or, if you'd like something  
> with a
> larger screen, a UMPC or a Sony U-series.  Me, personally, I'd kill  
> for
> any of those computers, especially the smaller ones (anything but a  
> UMPC).
> However, I don't have the kind of cash required- most PDAs are only
> $200-400 USD, which is still a lot of money, don't get me wrong-  
> but it is
> a lot cheaper than the $1500-2500 required to get one of those x86
> handhelds listed above.  Then again, I'm always open to donations  
> if folks
> would like me to refocus my efforts on higher-end hardware. :)
>
> Or, at the very least, a Linux-based Zaurus- anything past a C750  
> would be
> good. The PXA255 @ 400 MHz or above is important.  Or, something
> similarily spec'd for WinCE, but on CE preferably something with a CPU
> speed of 520 or 624 MHz. CE machines are slower than the C750+ Zaurus
> models.  I think this is due to a better memory bus in the Zaurus  
> models
> specifically, as those same CE machines running Linux benchmark  
> similarily
> as they did under CE. The upper end of the PDAs available aren't  
> too bad
> for genie, but the Nokia 770 is too slow.
>
> To check out an image with Genie and a set of gestures for text
> recognition see:
>
> ftp://ftp.squeak.org/3.0/unix-linux/iPaq/TinySqueak.image.gz
> ftp://ftp.squeak.org/3.0/unix-linux/iPaq/TinySqueak.changes.gz
>
> It was created by Kevin Fisher and it is based on Squeak 3.1a.
>
>> Stef
>
> Regards,
> Aaron
>
> revaaron at bitquabit.com || rev in #squeak on irc.freenode.net
>    "Liberty will not descend to a people, a people must
>          raise themselves to Liberty." -- Emma Goldman
>
>> On 5 oct. 06, at 23:04, Aaron Reichow wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 3. Using an updated and modified CharRecog.  CharRecog is a really
>>> neat
>>> character recognition engine that, if memory serves me, Alan
>>> himself wrote
>>> for Squeak.  Unlike Grafiti, you have to train it, it doesn't come
>>> with
>>> any built-in set of gestures.  To use it, I used to define one of  
>>> the
>>> hardware buttons on the PDA I was using as the hotkey to start it
>>> within
>>> the text field. I think there is an alt key command that will start
>>> it as
>>> well, but I don't remember what it is. I also added an item to the
>>> scrollbar menu to start it.  I've written a fair amount of code and
>>> text
>>> with this- once you get it trai
>>
>>
>>
>