Removing Etoys (was Re: A process proposal for 3.10)

jvuletich at dc.uba.ar jvuletich at dc.uba.ar
Wed Oct 18 13:59:26 UTC 2006


Hi Milan,

It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours
range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.

For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9. Or the
new Tweak based, when available.

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich

> Juan,
>
> Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours work), do
> you
> think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
> asking
> you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your feeling
> about
> whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would you
> estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes sense :) - in
> very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason I am
> asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my personal
> playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to either
> help
> the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot guarantee
> much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a small
> well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages)  makes
> sense.
>
> Thanks Milan
>
> On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:
>> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official release. I
>> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
>>
>> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think we need
>> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on it.
>>
>> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me about
>> the decision process for issues like this one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Juan Vuletich
>>
>> Marcus Denker wrote:
>> > The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they never
>> will.
>> >
>> > Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool Etoys
>> > image for eToys1.
>> >
>> > For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is maintainable.
>> > There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.
>> > That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the
>> future
>> > eToy system.
>> >
>> >        Marcus
>
>





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