Removing Etoys (was Re: A process proposal for 3.10)
jj at objectsroot.com
Wed Oct 18 14:18:12 UTC 2006
As said, we must give up to a frontal attack.
There is a plan to use Tweak instead of Morphic in the next few years (1-3)?
If Morphic will be obsolete in three years, it'd not be so bad to have
"eToy1" around for a while.
We can think of fixing only eToy critical bugs and left the others alone.
On 10/18/06, jvuletich at dc.uba.ar <jvuletich at dc.uba.ar> wrote:
> Hi Milan,
> It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours
> range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.
> For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9. Or the
> new Tweak based, when available.
> Juan Vuletich
> > Juan,
> > Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours work),
> > you
> > think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
> > asking
> > you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your feeling
> > about
> > whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would you
> > estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes sense :) -
> > very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason I am
> > asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my
> > playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to either
> > help
> > the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot guarantee
> > much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a
> > well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages) makes
> > sense.
> > Thanks Milan
> > On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:
> >> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official release. I
> >> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
> >> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think we need
> >> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on it.
> >> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me about
> >> the decision process for issues like this one.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Juan Vuletich
> >> Marcus Denker wrote:
> >> > The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they never
> >> will.
> >> >
> >> > Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool Etoys
> >> > image for eToys1.
> >> >
> >> > For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is maintainable.
> >> > There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.
> >> > That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the
> >> future
> >> > eToy system.
> >> >
> >> > Marcus
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