Any chance we could instead make EToys removable, but leave it in the base
image so that if, in the future, Squeakland or Tweak would like to resync
with squeak that will still be possible?  I don't like the idea of hard
coding community fragmentation.

Ron Teitelbaum

> From: jvuletich at dc.uba.ar
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:59 AM
> 
> Hi Milan,
> 
> It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours
> range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.
> 
> For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9. Or the
> new Tweak based, when available.
> 
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
> 
> > Juan,
> >
> > Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours work),
> do
> > you
> > think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
> > asking
> > you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your feeling
> > about
> > whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would you
> > estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes sense :) -
> in
> > very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason I am
> > asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my
> personal
> > playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to either
> > help
> > the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot guarantee
> > much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a
> small
> > well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages)  makes
> > sense.
> >
> > Thanks Milan
> >
> > On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:
> >> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official release. I
> >> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
> >>
> >> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think we need
> >> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on it.
> >>
> >> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me about
> >> the decision process for issues like this one.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Juan Vuletich
> >>
> >> Marcus Denker wrote:
> >> > The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they never
> >> will.
> >> >
> >> > Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool Etoys
> >> > image for eToys1.
> >> >
> >> > For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is maintainable.
> >> > There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.
> >> > That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the
> >> future
> >> > eToy system.
> >> >
> >> >        Marcus
> >
> >
> 
> 
>