On Oct 18, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:

> Any chance we could instead make EToys removable, but leave it in  
> the base
> image so that if, in the future, Squeakland or Tweak would like to  
> resync
> with squeak that will still be possible?  I don't like the idea of  
> hard
> coding community fragmentation.
>
> Ron Teitelbaum

+1

Markus

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>> From: jvuletich at dc.uba.ar
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:59 AM
>>
>> Hi Milan,
>>
>> It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours
>> range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.
>>
>> For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9.  
>> Or the
>> new Tweak based, when available.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Juan Vuletich
>>
>>> Juan,
>>>
>>> Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours  
>>> work),
>> do
>>> you
>>> think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
>>> asking
>>> you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your  
>>> feeling
>>> about
>>> whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would  
>>> you
>>> estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes  
>>> sense :) -
>> in
>>> very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason  
>>> I am
>>> asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my
>> personal
>>> playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to  
>>> either
>>> help
>>> the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot  
>>> guarantee
>>> much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a
>> small
>>> well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages)  makes
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Thanks Milan
>>>
>>> On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:
>>>> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official  
>>>> release. I
>>>> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
>>>>
>>>> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think  
>>>> we need
>>>> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on  
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me  
>>>> about
>>>> the decision process for issues like this one.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Juan Vuletich
>>>>
>>>> Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>>> The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they  
>>>>> never
>>>> will.
>>>>>
>>>>> Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool  
>>>>> Etoys
>>>>> image for eToys1.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is  
>>>>> maintainable.
>>>>> There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.
>>>>> That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the
>>>> future
>>>>> eToy system.
>>>>>
>>>>>        Marcus
>>>
>>>
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