Well, there always are people asking for project ideas. Working with  
Squeak is fun, and if they can help someone with what they are doing,  
it's even better and rewarding. I agree that some people come here  
with an attitude like "you must do X, or else ...!". That won't work,  
of course. But collecting ideas for improvement is still valuable.

- Bert -

Am 25.10.2006 um 16:43 schrieb jvuletich at dc.uba.ar:

> Hi Ron.
>
> You seem to believe there are people around who are wishing to  
> implement
> stuff just because others want it, not because of their own interest.
>
> Well, I'm pretty sure there's none.
>
> So, if the very people who are contributing specific ideas is not  
> willing
> to work on them, who will?
>
> If we don't find an answer to this question, me must accept answers  
> like
> "you do it and it's done".
>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
>> I agree with you and have been thinking about the implications of  
>> scratch
>> your own itch programming.  I firmly believe that this community  
>> would
>> benefit from listing to users and integrating user feedback into the
>> process.  We need to find a way to work together to meet the  
>> common goal
>> of
>> relevance for each participating group.  There is a lot going on  
>> in the
>> community and I believe we would benefit from integrating the many  
>> itches
>> that are currently being scratched.  Past that we should be  
>> looking for
>> ways
>> to better organize and incorporate user feedback into development  
>> teams.
>> (I
>> learned this valuable lesson in the business world: There is  
>> nothing worse
>> then spending valuable resources developing terrific features that  
>> nobody
>> really wants or needs).
>>
>> I also believe that there are a number of programmers willing to
>> participate
>> but are not able to lead these efforts mostly because of time  
>> constraints
>> (not ability).  We need a way to incorporate private company's
>> contributions, research projects, volunteer efforts, and user's  
>> needs into
>> a
>> cohesive process that advances Squeak towards relevance.  I'm not  
>> sure how
>> we are going to get there, but it will be a very good place when  
>> we do.
>>
>> Ron Teitelbaum
>> President / Principal Software Engineer
>> US Medical Record Specialists
>> Ron at USMedRec.com
>>
>>> From: Stéphane Rollandin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:10 AM
>>>
>>> too often on this list we see questions or reports like "this  
>>> feature is
>>> broken could it be fixed ?" or "that feature would be nice to  
>>> have" that
>>> are only answered by a blunt (and in my view quite rude) "then  
>>> are you
>>> ready to work on it ?".
>>>
>>> I am tired of this trick. a more correct answer would be in the  
>>> line of
>>> "nobody seems to be engaged in doing this, sorry".
>>>
>>> I don't see the need to pressure people, especially publicly, and
>>> especially people who participate in the debate about the future of
>>> Squeak.
>>>
>>> these people should better be thanked for their interest. they are
>>> contributing ideas and opinions, ok it's not code, but it's not
>>> valueless either.
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Stef
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