here is a plan! (was: Smalltalk Reloaded)

Klaus D. Witzel klaus.witzel at
Mon Oct 30 16:58:57 UTC 2006

Hi Jecel,

on Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, you wrote:
> Guy Bloomfield wrote on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:30:14 +1300
>> 2. A functional issue - The ideal Squeak would have Etoys Morphic in
>> the image and these could be unloaded by the experienced programmer
>> who wants to "Run light without overbyte" whereas the neophyte can
>> enjoy them out of the box
> This is a plan that is practical and which I fully support: if we can
> unload eToys but not load it back, then let's just include eToys in the
> full image that we distribute and allow everyone the one way option of
> removing it.

Let me try and reformulate your plan with two set operators (- "minus" and  
+ "plus")

Squeak - "Pavel's" (Etoys + Morphic)
        + "Juan's" Morphic
  = (Squeak - Etoys)

If there'd be strong support for Pavel *and* for Juan then dreams would  
come true.


> I don't mind at all eliminating the Flash logo, the welcome
> windows and other stuff every time I begin working with a newly
> downloaded image. The fact that I can't get any of these easily back if
> I want has never been a problem since I could just start over from a
> clean image.
> Sure, a reloadable eToys would be even better but I doubt it will
> happen.
> -- Jecel

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