Strongtalk VM for Squeak [was: Squeak for the masses? [was: primitiveApplyToFromTo]]

Klaus D. Witzel klaus.witzel at cobss.com
Mon Sep 18 16:08:11 UTC 2006


On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:55:52 +0200, Ron wrote:
>
> Interesting questions.  I've been watching the Strongtalk group.  Does
> either of these issues, reusing ObjectMemory, or having a smalltalk vm  
> limit
> in your opinion the benefits of the Strongtalk vm?  From Dan's comments  
> and
> from the apparent speed and packaging benefits I would think that we  
> should
> support a Strongtalk VM for squeak in what ever way they could provide  
> it.

And the license.

> If we accepted that the base VM is C++ then couldn't plugins still be  
> slang,
> (or the slang plugins still be supported by the base Strongtalk vm) or is
> this too much for the squeak community to accept?

There will be clever hackers, moving sources back and forth between VM's,  
there always are clever hackers.

/Klaus

> Ron
>
>> From: Klaus D. Witzel
>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:41 AM
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> I've asked David Griswold who posts over in vm-dev about reusing  
>> Squeak's
>> ObjectMemory, the answer was: rather not (because slangish, because
>> squeakish). And earlier Craig asked him if they want the VM be written  
>> in
>> Smalltalk, the answer was: too huge a project for now, but in the long
>> term self-hosting and self-debugging would be great.
>>
>> BTW the Strongtalk list is @
>> - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/strongtalk/
>>
>> This perhaps looks like a not so fast development project; also
>> performance for them is critical due to startup and compilation pauses.
>> But perhaps they will find acceptable material - resuable things - and
>> also funds and hands with VM knowledge.
>>
>> Time will show. Indeed, David wrote that their goal is producing a  
>> version
>> of the Strongtalk VM for Squeak ...
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:29:15 +0200, Ron wrote:
>> > Klaus wrote:
>> >> Let's bring Squeak to the masses. Or, am I wrong with this?
>> >
>> > No you are right here, but we need to get organized and support the
>> > community that is needed to take over from the previous "owners" of
>> > squeak.
>> >
>> >> I run a commercial business and want to base my success on Squeak.
>> >
>> > [+1 big]
>> >
>> > When do nominations for the foundation start!
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> > P.S. Klaus have you looked at the StrongTalk VM yet?
>>




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