My point is simple I take responsibility for what I know I can do or  
try to do and I do "impose" (because noone can impose
work on other) any stuff on others.

So sometimes I have argument with andreas and this is normal because  
we have some strong views on the world
but from the VM perspective I respect the guys doing the job there.  
So if they do not shout and block the release
then this is ok for me. Else I should be smart enough to really  
contribute.

Stef


On 25 sept. 06, at 22:42, Brad Fuller wrote:

> stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>> been an VM ignorant I cannot reply. Now I hope that this bug can  
>>>> be fixed for 3.9 VMs
>>>> It seems to me that from an image perspective we can safely  
>>>> release the image.
>>>> Now we should also move, so that people migrate their code on  
>>>> 3.9 and that we start
>>>> on 3.10 :)
>>> Thanks for your comment, Stef. That seems reasonable. However,  
>>> are you sure that it's a VM issue? The VM crashes, but can it not  
>>> be an issue from higher up?
>>
>> Of course it can. But what can we do? do we have reproduceable  
>> bugs. I do not think so.
> The code is in the mantis defect that is 100% reproducible on my  
> PC. I think it's easy to duplicate or make other PCs crash.
>
>> So we can stop 3.9 and postpone it but
>> I'm pretty sure it will not help.
> I think what you are saying is that 3.9 should be pushed forward  
> because there are few people to look at this problem. If this is  
> the case, a couple of comments to that:
>
> * Tim's been assigned the defect.
> * John said he'd look at the Mac version of it.
> * what is the acceptance criteria for releasing a major version?
>
> We don't know when Tim and John will be looking at the problem.  
> But, certainly a crash should be enough to stop and consider the  
> release. No?
>
> Thanks to Tim and John for looking into this!
>
>>
>> VW has good VM because some smart guys are payed full time for  
>> that. Now the community does not want to understand that
>> money (the stuff with believe has value) is a good way to make  
>> things happening. So improvements will be slow and we should leave  
>> with that. Now if every seasoned squeakers would put 100 $ on a  
>> pot we could make that change. I tried with the foundation but  
>> failed. So now I will watch (but sadly I know the answer).
> I'm a poor musician... but I could spare  a C note for the cause!. ;-)
>
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