Very bad about Squeak in blogosfere
Klaus D. Witzel
klaus.witzel at cobss.com
Sun Aug 12 00:55:22 UTC 2007
Hi Janko,
all problems are challenges, this was always the case, and I wonder
<sarcasm>why people are using Croquet (Ubuntu) and bulding Sophie on top
of Tweak and whatsmore on top of Seaside and software researchers rely on
Squeak</sarcasm> instead of on J# and other static typers. Perhaps because
J# has already passed its limits and so now Squeak is evaluated and
thereby found too good to be true :) even if parts of it look crappy to
the uninitiated :)
The message in blogosfere is a good enough plan for where to start doing
something exiting with Squeak :) I understand the problem(s) description
as, hey here's something todo for you hackers (professional developers).
Sort of marketing; big vendors get mentioned when they face d%!ed big bugs
and the headline makes it in the public sphere :)
/Klaus
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:15:13 +0200, Janko Mivšek wrote:
> From Anonymous on
> http://factor-language.blogspot.com/2007/08/smalltalk-is-dying.html:
>
> "Anyone who says Squeak is production ready has never used Squeak in
> production. Recently quite a prominent member of the Squeak community
> seriously considered moving to Java because he could not get uptimes
> bigger than a two days. It turned out Delays and Semaphores (!!!) were
> broken all time along. There are dozens of issues like this. One example
> is that the settings of the GC are tuned for memory sizes of about 1 MB.
> Don't even get me started about the 1 GB and 120 MB memory issues which
> tend to crash the image. Or the bugs in ClassBuilder,
> InterpreterSimulator, Decompiler, .... You need to have several Squeak
> images per CPU because there is a limit to the amount of punishment a
> single Squeak image can take. Squeak itself is heavily forked (Squeak,
> Croquet, Sophie, SqueakLand, SmallLand, ... ). All the code in the image
> in unmaintained. There are teams but most of the time they don't even
> integrate submitted fixes for bugs. Development of these packages has
> stopped. The same situation for the VM. The only VM that is maintened is
> the Mac VM. The Windows VM will only get new builds if the maintainer
> needs some fixes for himself. The Unix VM is unmainted. The maintainer
> of the main VM code publically stated he will do shit unless someone
> pays him. Squeak is fully of ugly shit code that has just been hacked in
> for abandoned experiments. That http server Seaside uses on Squeak?
> Unmaintained and has bugs with HTTP 1.1. That really is just a small
> list of issues Squeak has."
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