Bill Schwab wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I continue to think the community is really missing the point on a few
> fundamental topics.  Some think the only route to success is to get
> developers to use Squeak to churn out native-widget apps for end users;
> others fire back with things like there should be no OS, no difference
> between users and developers, and other idealistic beliefs.  All are
> bickering, to the detriment of Squeak.

Gee... I haven't seen any bickering. I think the arguments have been 
fruitful and interesting.

> 
> Our goal should be to collaborate on making both approaches, and others,
> possible! 

Why would one want to continue to perpetuate the development of vertical 
applications - of which it is difficult to communicate between (except 
w/o even more vertical methods of communicating)? I see only one 
advantage of developing OS-native apps in Squeak and that's Smalltalk's 
prototyping ability. A capability that you can also get with other 
languages. Unfortunately, the user misses the true power of the 
Smalltalk environment.

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> The modularization effort provides a wonderful opportunity to give
> Squeak a frame-up restoration for 3.10 and  beyond.   I continue to hope
> that we will take a collective deep breath and clean up the modules as
> they go into the next image; now is the time.  

Amen


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brad fuller
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