On 20 Feb 2007, at 20 February/16:51, J J wrote:

>> From: David Röthlisberger <squeak at c3com.ch>
>> Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list<squeak- 
>> dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list<squeak- 
>> dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> Subject: Towards a better IDE in Squeak
>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:31:55 +0100
>>
>> This is a bit sad for Smalltalk, because a long time ago it had  
>> the best IDE, but now Eclipse is getting better and better while  
>> the IDE of Smalltalk / Squeak stays more or less the same.
>
> Very interesting.  I hope you come up with some nice stuff. :)
>
> But to this statement I would say:  (1) Eclipse may be getting  
> better but it is light years away from what stock Squeak has right  
> now.  Eclipse is trying to do modify/run, but it only works in a  
> very limited way, and I don't see this getting much better.

Don't mistake the IDE with the language :-) In itself, and for those  
that like to have lots of panes with information, Eclipse is quite  
nice. Its completion features and problem resolvers are farther ahead  
than what I have seen for any Smalltalk environment. Of course. they  
have to be :-) :-) And even with all of these nifty features,  
developing Java in Eclipse is still tedious, cumbersome and slow  
compared to developing in Squeak. But this does not mean that I am  
not longing for a number of Eclipse (or even VisualWorks) features in  
Squeak :-)

>
> And (2), it may be true that Squeak hasn't moved a lot but that  
> doesn't mean it sucks.  Strongtalk sat on a shelf for 10 years  
> without anyone looking at it, but it remains the most advanced  
> dynamic VM on the planet for now (Exupery is comming though :).

Couldn't agree more :-)

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