Could we fix the web site
brad at bradfuller.com
Sat Jan 6 19:50:29 UTC 2007
stephane ducasse wrote:
> really I'm quite annoyed. I cannot tell you all the story behind my
> mail but this is not a simple idiot remark.
> Can't we get the welcome paragraph in the first place?
> Should I really totally boycott Squeak?
> Don't you understand that we are in a world where people communicate
> and judge on form?
> News Feed as a title of the first item of the page that describes
> squeak is not a smart choice. For somehow not knowing at all
> what squeak is about and that does not really care about getting
> involved but just want to give a glance.
First let me say that I'm delighted that others care about what the
website looks like!
I assume that visitors with varying degrees of expertise visit the
squeak.org top page. I think the question we should ask is what
information should we deliver, and how should we deliver that
information, to be the best service for the visitors. There are a few
issue here that make this a challenge for us. I'm sure there are more.
- First, I don't think we know who those visitors are. For instance,
what is their expertise level and why they are at squeak.org? What are
they searching for?
- Another issue is should the site be a dynamic site, or a site where
the information doesn't necessarily change much.
- Yet another issue is that we are but a few volunteers, and the list is
getting smaller to help with the site.
I take away from these recent posts that you believe the visitors are
are new to squeak and are searching to find out more. Is that right? My
answer is I just don't know who they are.
To me, static web sites show a stale and static life of the
organization. That might not be what is really going on underneath the
hood, but it looks like that to the visitors. If there is no life,
people tend to believe it's either an old site with old content, or the
site authors don't care or have the time to update the site. If visitors
find this, they turn away and look elsewhere. I could be wrong, but If
I'm not, this is something we don't want to occur.
I'd like to make squeak.org a place where all levels of expertise visit
regularly. For old timers, they get the news they want. For those
seeking to find out what squeak is about, they see a vibrant community
and an aggressive and interesting development of squeak. One way to do
that is to build a dynamic presence. Dynamic news feeds provides a
small portion of this. If the site was integrated with an up-to-date,
ever changing wiki, that would certainly help people who are looking for
technical answers keep coming back. And, it would assist beginners too.
My belief is that we need a proper mix of 1) news, 2) well trimmed,
up-to-date technical information (wiki) and 3) a comprehensive
introduction to squeak (which is what the site is right now, but it too
needs to be trimmed better.)
Since this is a volunteer organization, and most of us don't have time
to build a site that is dynamic as I'm recommending, I suggested feeding
the front site with something that was of interest to others and was
dynamic. That's all.
Can you or any others help us out?
> Then there are 5 typos in the following text. So the fact that we do
> not control (or may be somebody edited the text and the list by hand)
> what is published there would push us to be cautious and not put it
> up front.
> "Croquet Edit and Create 3d Objects
> Howard Stearns reciently replyed to a question from Mathieu. I thought
> I’d reporduce his response here. Howard give a lot of very good
> information about Croquet support for third party tools...."
We do control it. It's the news guys. They can just fix their typos and
it'll be fine.
> So what I suggest is to swap the welcome and the news feeds. I think
> that this is important.
Anyone else agree?
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