Could we fix the web site

Karl karl.ramberg at chello.se
Sat Jan 6 20:54:57 UTC 2007


J J wrote:
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> Well what do other people do? Haskell is pretty popular these days. 
> Here is their site:
> http://haskell.org
>
http://www.python.org/ has 'about python' first.
http://www.java.com is just ads and presentations
http://www.erlang.org is just news
http://www.perl.org is a table/menu of links and then news
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspx is news/tutorials 
and ads
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspx is news/tutorials

There seems there is no general consensus about what should be first.
But if the majority of Squeakers think the 'about' should be fist it's 
easy to change.
I'm not sure about getting just headlines though... Brad?
Karl

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>> From: Joshua Gargus <schwa at fastmail.us>
>> Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
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>> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
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>> Subject: Re: Could we fix the web site
>> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:05 -0800
>>
>> Stephane makes a good point. If we want http://squeak.org to be the 
>> public face of Squeak to the outside world, then the news feeds 
>> should absolutely not appear at the very top. Instead, the Welcome! 
>> section should come first to give a basic understanding of the entire 
>> site. That much is clear (right? if not, why?)
>>
>> We could then go on to debate some more ambiguous decisions. For 
>> example, within the news section, I would put the squeak.org-specific 
>> "Posted News" above the external "News Feeds". However, I have other 
>> things to do this fine Saturday than to push hard on that point, or 
>> similar ones.
>>
>> Happy weekend Squeaking,
>> Josh
>>
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:28 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> really I'm quite annoyed. I cannot tell you all the story behind my 
>>> mail but this is not a simple idiot remark.
>>> Can't we get the welcome paragraph in the first place?
>>> Should I really totally boycott Squeak?
>>> Don't you understand that we are in a world where people communicate 
>>> and judge on form?
>>>
>>> News Feed as a title of the first item of the page that describes 
>>> squeak is not a smart choice. For somehow not knowing at all
>>> what squeak is about and that does not really care about getting 
>>> involved but just want to give a glance.
>>>
>>> Then there are 5 typos in the following text. So the fact that we do 
>>> not control (or may be somebody edited the text and the list by hand)
>>> what is published there would push us to be cautious and not put it 
>>> up front.
>>>
>>> "Croquet Edit and Create 3d Objects
>>> Howard Stearns reciently replyed to a question from Mathieu. I 
>>> thought I’d reporduce his response here. Howard give a lot of very 
>>> good information about Croquet support for third party tools...."
>>>
>>> So what I suggest is to swap the welcome and the news feeds. I think 
>>> that this is important.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>> On 6 janv. 07, at 18:53, Karl wrote:
>>>
>>>> stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>>> Hi karl
>>>>>
>>>>> my point is about the place of the news on the web site. I think 
>>>>> that we need something that anybody (and certainly someone
>>>>> evaluating me can understand). When people click on my cv on the 
>>>>> squeak web site, it should be great.
>>>>> And the news section should not be the top items. Or I can remove 
>>>>> all the links I have on my sites and cv to squeak.org but this
>>>>> would be sad because imagine a person not knowing anything about 
>>>>> squeak going to the site and reading the first paragraph right now.
>>>> The first paragraph is about the OLPC which has Squeak as part of 
>>>> it's software. I would consider that a very big news item.
>>>> The frontpage got very static and nobody updated it and nobody 
>>>> wants to lead the web team so this was a good solution for us, 
>>>> since a webpage that newer changes is a dead webpage, at least in 
>>>> my book.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The news feed is from news.squeak.org so if you join the news 
>>>>>> team you will be able to post directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not want. I have nothing against news and I have nothing to say.
>>>> I find that hard to believe ;-)
>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>> Typos and other standards of posting to the news feed should 
>>>>>> probably be addressed to the news team.
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
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