Java's modules rock? (was Re: election details)
Andreas Raab
andreas.raab at gmx.de
Fri Mar 2 06:53:38 UTC 2007
Michael van der Gulik wrote:
>> But this is easy given that Java freezes everything at compile time.
>> No extensions to anything allowed post-compile (ok - post load).
>> Unfortunately, the bar is higher in Smalltalk as we want to allow
>> extension of anything.
>
> I assume you mean being able to add methods to any class in the image
> rather than just the classes in your own package?
That has been the implicit assumption, yes, but personally I don't see
that as a requirement. If the tradeoffs are between changing methods on
class Object and having a workable and reasonably secure module system I
would opt for the latter.
> Now... if I make a stable, usable, clean and largely
> backwards-compatible solution, will people integrate it into Squeak?
I can't speak for Squeak, but for Croquet I would say, yes, we would.
And I would also say that the focus should be on "stable, usable, clean"
and much less on "largely backwards-compatible" ;-)
> It would be a very large, dare I say revolutionary change.
So is Croquet. You'd feel right at home.
> The most common reason people do this is to check if an instance is of
> a certain class (like Object>>isMorph or Object>>isMyStupidClass) -
> people should use isKindOf:. If that is too slow then isKindOf: should
> be made a primitive method.
Right. And that's just what I (not quite coincidentally ;-) said in a
recent discussion with Goran - having a very, very fast type test of
some sort would solve quite a number of problems .
Cheers,
- Andreas
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