Mantis Experiment a Failure? Are we ready yet to move on? (was Re: [BUGFIX] SqueakMap is broken in 3.10)

nicolas cellier ncellier at
Mon Nov 5 23:18:39 UTC 2007

More positively, I did not notice mantis use was fading.
Ken, don't you have some good stats about mantis showing it's not vain 
to repeat, repeat and repeat again?

So again, reporting a bug at is easy.
It is not much longer than posting on this list.
Just spend a minute or two browsing related reports, it might be 

Don't use "had no time" excuse.
Mantis does save time indeed, far much than costs!

Of course we cannot force anyone to use it, only ask..
So please every one is kindly invited to submit.

Ken Causey a écrit :
> I'll just go ahead and preface this with my own claims of 'tiredness' or
> at least frustration.
> First the initial report was sent to the mailing list with something
> resembling the old scheme of bug/fix reporting (although not quite
> matching) rather than being posted to .  I
> sighed deeply but decided to simply ignore it.
> Matthew kindly tried to move things in that direction, but with little
> apparent success.
> Now I notice that you (Goran) don't once mention below the option of
> adding a report on Mantis under the SqueakMap category.
> It has now been three years since we started with Mantis and deprecated
> the old report to list method.  And yet new reports still occasionally
> appear on the list.
> Yes, it's true that this is still the functionality that appears in the
> image.  I'll accept that as the primary reason new reports continue to
> appear on the list.
> All I can say is "Is anyone itching enough yet to actually build a
> system we will use?"  I think it's pretty clear by now that Mantis does
> not represent such a system.  I'll be the first to admit that Mantis
> doesn't cause me to want to scratch very much and so I have no
> confidence that I can define a system that will be accepted.
> Too be more than a little blunt, it's time for all of us to put up or
> shut up.  A few of us have complained about Mantis in the past.  I'm not
> going to name names but I think it's time for those who don't feel like
> Mantis is a workable solution to start seriously thinking about the
> shape of a significantly more appropriate solution.
> Ken

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