Mantis Experiment a Failure? Are we ready yet to move on? (was Re: [BUGFIX] SqueakMap is broken in 3.10)

Gary Chambers gazzaguru2 at
Tue Nov 6 01:17:45 UTC 2007

Mantis integration with the tools would be handy, I must admit... Think,
having found a method with problems (doesn't cover larger areas of problem,
I admit) to submit a report, categorised by default to its package, with,
perhaps, a new better version... from a menu option in the browsers...

Or perhaps the debugger stack trace, rather than just an email option. Maybe
we need something between Mantis and the tools that could match similar bug

Just my thoughts at this time.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeak-dev-bounces at
> [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces at]On Behalf Of Edgar
> J. De Cleene
> Sent: 05 November 2007 10:11 PM
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Subject: Re: Mantis Experiment a Failure? Are we ready yet to move on?
> (was Re: [BUGFIX] SqueakMap is broken in 3.10)
> El 11/5/07 6:46 PM, "Ken Causey" <ken at> escribió:
> > I'll just go ahead and preface this with my own claims of 'tiredness' or
> > at least frustration.
> >
> > First the initial report was sent to the mailing list with something
> > resembling the old scheme of bug/fix reporting (although not quite
> > matching) rather than being posted to .  I
> > sighed deeply but decided to simply ignore it.
> >
> > Matthew kindly tried to move things in that direction, but with little
> > apparent success.
> >
> > Now I notice that you (Goran) don't once mention below the option of
> > adding a report on Mantis under the SqueakMap category.
> >
> > It has now been three years since we started with Mantis and deprecated
> > the old report to list method.  And yet new reports still occasionally
> > appear on the list.
> >
> > Yes, it's true that this is still the functionality that appears in the
> > image.  I'll accept that as the primary reason new reports continue to
> > appear on the list.
> >
> > All I can say is "Is anyone itching enough yet to actually build a
> > system we will use?"  I think it's pretty clear by now that Mantis does
> > not represent such a system.  I'll be the first to admit that Mantis
> > doesn't cause me to want to scratch very much and so I have no
> > confidence that I can define a system that will be accepted.
> >
> > Too be more than a little blunt, it's time for all of us to put up or
> > shut up.  A few of us have complained about Mantis in the past.  I'm not
> > going to name names but I think it's time for those who don't feel like
> > Mantis is a workable solution to start seriously thinking about the
> > shape of a significantly more appropriate solution.
> >
> > Ken
> Not a failure.
> I find Mantis very valuable and think (as I put in some mail) some bugs
> reports deserve showing to students for how a bug was find , what several
> Squeakers have to say about, proposed and developed solutions, etc.
> If good Squeaker  forget do reports or he is too busy , we could wait some
> more time.
> Or someone here notice and do the report.
> Maybe some could do a Squeak front end to Mantis for easier and
> to hand way
> ?
> Edgar
> P.S. And Squeakmap  always works in 3.10 ...

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