[squeak-dev] Install on Debian / Ubuntu binary-amd64
Philippe Marschall
philippe.marschall at gmail.com
Thu Apr 24 08:34:51 UTC 2008
2008/4/24 Norbert Hartl <norbert at hartl.name>:
>
> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 11:23 +1000, Edward Stow wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert at hartl.name> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 08:20 +1000, Edward Stow wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
> > > > <m.coba.m at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I use squeak inside a chroot as per instructions here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
> > > > >
> > > > > as there is no 64 bit perfect setup for squeak
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed squeak inside the chroot with the repositories from squeak.org
> > > > > (section other OSes)
> > > > >
> > > > > hope this help
> > > >
> > > > Yes is does -- it does confirm that a simple install is not available
> > > > for amd64 architecture. By simple, I mean sudo apt-get install
> > > > squeak.
> > >
> > > > And it doesn't. I have a hard time convincing my sys admins and their
> > > > bosses to take seriously a package that does not have a
> > > > straightforward install process on 64 bit machines.
> > > >
> > > > chroot'ing in their words is for 'legacy and un-supported systems that
> > > > should not be installed on a production server.'
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to set up a demonstration server that will allow squeak
> > > > with seaside to be considered a viable alternative. I should say that
> > > > I'm not a sys admin and am feeling very frustrated with the lack of
> > > > installable options.
> > > >
> > > > So please ... could those that maintain the debian and / or other os
> > > > vms create an installable 64 bit deb and / or rpm.
> > > >
> > >
> > > At the moment there is no packaged version which does compile on amd64.
> > > Otherwise it would be quite simple to create such a package. You can run
> > > 32 bit applications on 64 bit but on a debian package level this is not
> > > an easy task to achieve.
> > >
> > > If you want to setup an demonstration server why you don't take the
> > > installer script which comes with the vm package on squeakvm.org ? This
> > > installs the 32bit binaries on your machine.
> > >
> > > I created a package for you which is a amd64 target ubuntu package which
> > > contains the binaries from the 3.10.1 i686 package from squeakvm.org.[1]
> > > It installs into /opt/squeak. You can use use
> > >
> > > /opt/squeak/bin/squeakvm YOUR-IMAGE
> > >
> > > to start squeak. Don't be misled by the ubuntu in the package name. It
> > > should install on debian as well.
> > >
> > > Let me know if you have trouble using it.
> > >
> > > [1] http://selfish.org/files/deb/squeak-vm-i686_0.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
> > >
> > > Norbert
> >
> > Thanks that works.
> >
> > But this is really a plea --- My guess is that 95% of potential users
> > would have stopped by now when apt-get install does not work.
> >
> Yes, sure it is. For the desktop side of the software the barrier is
> lowered with the one-click experience images.
> To be honest. How far will you get on a server if an easy installation
> is your barrier? squeak does not provide any start/stop scripts for the
> image. There is no maintenance scripts nor is there logging. You have
> to know your software in order to use it properly. You are right I often
> wish, too, that some things are achievable easier. But that includes the
> configuration of a apache/tomcat webserver, too.
> If you pass all this you still have to beat your sys admins. And that is
> a hard task :) Taking your arguments (from the sys ads) and my
> assumption that you are using java server stuff there is a huge gap.
> They say "un-supported" and they use debian which is an OS which is not
> supported. You should use ubuntu for that. They care about production
> systems and they use a 64 bit OS version. There are really less needs to
> have a 64 bit OS nowadays but there are still some problems. If I care
> about stability I use 32 bit these days. Are you using java? Java on 64
> bit linux systems is just not stable.
May I ask what makes you make such claims? Especially considering the
amount of really large production 64 bit deployments.
Cheers
Philippe
> Openjdk is getting there slowly
> but it is IMHO not production ready. So I assume you use the 32 bit
> ones. Then were is the difference? That in debian there is package which
> installs you "legacy" 32 bit code on your 64 bit platform. That is
> exactly what my package does. If a lot of people think this is a way to
> go I would maintain such a package for some time.
>
> I don't know what is your experience. Mine shows all the time that the
> good stuff is pain in first. But most of the time it was worth it. So
> don't give up. You have to know that you have at least one of the best
> communities I know behind you :)
>
> I'm glad my package worked. Are there any other finding a wrapper
> package for 32 bit squeak on amd64 useful?
>
> Norbert
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