On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Klaus D. Witzel <klaus.witzel at cobss.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:07:34 +0100, you wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0100, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Klaus,
>>>>
>>>> This is a great idea!  I'll be glad to test anything you create.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I don't have any time for development.
>>>
>>> Do you happen to know Norberto, he emailed that he made an object model
>>> in
>>> Squeak some time ago. Perhaps he can find it and send it to me over the
>>> weekend.
>>
>> Don't know Norberto.  I hope he sends you an object model.  Maybe
>> you're different but the blank sheet of paper is the hardest part of
>> creating anything for me.
>
> Na, that's the easier part ;) took objects without pointers (words ->
> Strings, synset id's -> SmallIntegers, synsets -> subclass of LookupKey) and
> Dictionary, easy and extendible.
>
> Only performance of Dictionary is poor (unrelated to object model).

Saw the btree thread.

>>> P.S. suggestions for a WordNet browser GUI in Squeak, anybody ?
>>
>> Typeahead for search,
>
> Oh. Have you seen some (re-)usable code for that? This seems not to be soo
> straight-forward with morphic Squeak (example: Preferences browser).

Don't know how reusable the code is but I'm reasonably sure I've seen
some of the code tools supporting typeahead.

>> mouseover for everything in the WN archive,
>
> Nah, too many WN entries have more than a screen-full of info (all the
> relations, all the synsets they point to, etc). I thought about a *browser*
> like the Smalltalk browsers, with panes for categories/relations and
> scrollable info-area.
>
>> and
>> an easy-to-extend model.  I'm interested in poetry so one thing I've
>> thought about is adding some of poetry's technical details to a word's
>> information---syllables, stresses, rhymes, etc.
>
> This I do not understand. WordNet is about semantical relations of synsets,
> not about isolated *words* (despite "word" in its name). There is nothing
> one could store for one word, only for a synset/sense (multiple words).

Thanks for spurring me to learn what a synset is.  In case you haven't
seen it yet, the Interfaces section of the Wikipedia page (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordNet ) has some links you may find
interesting.

> Of course a relation like "rhymes_with" could be added easily but, there's
> nothing in WordNet for morphology, affixes, syllables and such.
>
>>  With the right kind
>> of interface, I could enter a poem I like and enter (some or all of)
>> the information along the way, or just after.  Half an hour at a time.
>
> So you think about a poetry text editor? well, I thought about a browser for
> information retrival.

I'd like that, too.

>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>
>>>>> has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in
>>>>> Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files,
>>>>>
>>>>> - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain
>>>>>
>>>>> actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of
>>>>> memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of
>>>>> disk
>>>>> space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet
>>>>> browser
>>>>> in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web
>>>>> interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers)
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c
>>>>>
>>>>> and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class
>>>>> rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but,
>>>>> unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Klaus
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it".
>>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it".
>>> Albert
>>> Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert
> Einstein
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