[ANN] Open meeting regarding the Squeak Release Team

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sat Feb 2 18:00:04 UTC 2008


>> I don't know what the outcome of this discussion will be. It has  
>> the potential to annoy many.
> Redoing most of the patches of 3.9 and 3.10 seems to be a huge  
> amount of work.
> So there need to be a consensus that the result is worth the efforts.
> Are Traits the only show stopper for a unification of Squeak  
> distributions?

are you joking?
Do you know what is to merge two pacjkage of graphics or other that  
diverged.
Check all the changes made in OLPC or Sophie. I'm in both mailing-lists.
And I already said that I was sad that we cannot harvest those changes  
because this is a huge tasks
and it has ***nothing*** to do with traits.

> If not, what else has to be done?
> And last but not least: isn't the unification a contradiction to the  
> minimal image target?


Not at all, if people want to remove traits. I personnally do not  
care. If the community does not want that
this is ok for me. This will be just an error but this will not be my  
failure because we would have try.
You know PHP people implemented stateful traits and apparently some  
want to push that in the mainstream.
The Ruby guy said that he would have preferred traits over his mixin.  
But again this is ok for me/us if traits
get removed. Traits are not the problems because there are small and  
do not change the run-time.

In 3.9 we integrated a lot of fixes and pragmas and other stuff like  
that. Now if the community
wants to lose that then this is stupid and I will simply do something  
else. There are plenty of dynamic
language today with cool communities. We are not the only one. 



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