On Feb 1, 2008 6:05 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene <edgardec2001 at yahoo.com.ar>
wrote:

> TO ALL:
>
> Just we meet with Matthew and some words with Craig.
> I also see Steph and Andreas sending feedback here or in release team
> list.
>
> It's important we reach some agree for next 3.11.
> We only exchange ideas , trying to see the best road to follow.
>
> I repeat my vision.
>
> One day I wish to have a very small and smart thing.
> I open workspace and say "Pier" and all loads and I in bussiness.
>
> Maria wish play "DressTheDoll" with Etoys, then she type DressTheDoll (and
> the thing only loads the needed to she).
>
> Some talented music (many Squeakers ) choose the last Stephane Rollandin
> have and voila, he is doing jazz, tango or Nepal music (and not load Etoys
> or Web)
>
> Sure many more examples.
>
> Now we have 3.10 , some just discover could load several things automatic,
> some don't know 3.10 lack some packages living outside the base image.
>
> 3.11 could cut more packages and load again if needed.
>
> The goal is going closer to MinimalMorphic.
> Then to Kernel.
> Then to Spoon.
>
 I like your vision - it's very much along the lines of the "evolutionary"
approach I'm in favor of. Was there a discussion of the timeframe to get to
Spoon? My concern is that to do it in a timeframe that will take advantage
of the current ecosystem, there needs to be buy-in and some support from two
of the big three(Squeakland, Croquet, Seaside) projects that are "Squeak"
based.  If that doesn't happen, then the 3.11 ought to go under a name other
than Squeak so that it can have a reasonable chance to gain enough traction
to do more than survive.

Cheers,
Laurence

>
> I apologize if Craig or Pavel think different, sure they could explain
> better.
>
> The point is if we should start from 3.8.2 (without Traits and Monticello)
> or we should continue from 3.10 is now.
>
> The tentative image I put in ftp is only a first prototype idea and was
> 3.10.
>
> But some believe could have sense do some similar from 3.8.2
> Kind of 3.10 without Monticello and Traits.
>
> So we listen all ideas, wait all help.
>
> ========
> Next meeting is scheduled tomorrow 2 February 2008 on IRC
>
> 8:00 Phoenix 16:00 Rosario 13:00 Europa
>
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