recording-crash

kemal asad-syed kasadsyed at gmail.com
Sat Feb 16 07:54:48 UTC 2008


i found a bug that crashes squeak on my machine(LINUX). it is very
consistent but long to explain. Is there a way to record from within the
image all that's done while doing.otherwise i will have to record the entire
desktop.
Please let me know.
Kemal


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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:21:15 -0600
> From: Ken Causey <ken at kencausey.com>
> Subject: Re: [3.9.1] please check
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> I agree, not a good idea for a maintenance release.
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:46 -0800, Andreas Raab wrote:
> > stephane ducasse wrote:
> > >
> > > + remove OB
> >
> > Does that mean that if people write code with a dependency on OB,
> > publish on SqueakMap as "3.9" it will fail to work in 3.9.1? That's not
> > exactly my understanding of a maintenance release.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >    - Andreas
> >
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> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:33:18 +0100
> From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [3.9.1] please check
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> It is a very good idea.
>
> The OB code in 3.9 is totally outdated. It is so old, that it is
> impossible to just load a new version with MC. To get the latest
> version of OB working you have to unload the old code first. I assume
> that anybody building something with OB knows how to load the latest
> version.
>
> Lukas
>
> On 2/15/08, Ken Causey <ken at kencausey.com> wrote:
> > I agree, not a good idea for a maintenance release.
> >
> >
> >  Ken
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:46 -0800, Andreas Raab wrote:
> >  > stephane ducasse wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > + remove OB
> >  >
> >  > Does that mean that if people write code with a dependency on OB,
> >  > publish on SqueakMap as "3.9" it will fail to work in 3.9.1? That's
> not
> >  > exactly my understanding of a maintenance release.
> >  >
> >  > Cheers,
> >  >    - Andreas
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:40:19 +0900
> From: "Masashi UMEZAWA" <masashi.umezawa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [3.9.1] please check
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
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> Hi,
>
> Please see this also:
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6894
>
> 2008/2/15, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse at free.fr>:
> > hi guys
> >
> >  can you check what I did
> >
> >  "We use the following three fixes that are crucial for any server
> setup:
> >  0006581: Image freezes (background processes like Seaside make no
> >  progress) and Squeak hoggs CPU
> >  This is the image freezing problem, where connecting with VNC and
> >  moving the mouse would bring the image alive again. When being stuck,
> >  Squeak hoggs the CPU, memory consumtion is stable.
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6581
> >  Note: fix takes only effect if Preferences enable: #serverMode !
> >  --------
> >  0006588: Broken Semaphore>>critical: leads to frozen processes in Delay
> >  VNC doesn't respond to UI events, 0% cpu usage, several processes
> >  frozen in Delay although our Seaside server still responds.
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6588
> >  --------
> >  0006576: Delay is not thread-safe
> >  Delay is not thread-safe since currently the calling process updates
> >  the internal Delay structure itself. If the process gets terminated
> >  while doing this (e.g., adding/removing from SuspendedDelays) the
> >  whole system is left in an inconsistent state and breaks.
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6576
> >
> >  + remove OB
> >
> >  The update stream is working but
> >  I also uploaded an image in 3.9 folder. http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/
> >  Stef
> --
> [:masashi | ^umezawa]
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:59:25 +0000
> From: Giovanni Corriga <giovanni at corriga.net>
> Subject: Re: [3.9.1] please check
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>        <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
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>
> Lukas Renggli ha scritto:
> > It is a very good idea.
> >
> > The OB code in 3.9 is totally outdated. It is so old, that it is
> > impossible to just load a new version with MC. To get the latest
> > version of OB working you have to unload the old code first. I assume
> > that anybody building something with OB knows how to load the latest
> > version.
>
> Ok, then the update stream should have something that unloads the 3.9.0
> OB and loads the new one. It's not an issue of people not knowing how to
> load the next version, it's an issue of seeing 3.9.x as a platform.
>
>        Giovanni
>
>        Giovanni
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:10:03 +0100
> From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <klaus.witzel at cobss.com>
> Subject: Re: HydraTools and minimal images
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
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>
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:52:41 +0100, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
> >>  >
> >>  >  > What i can currently do, is provide an implementation of reliable
> >>  >  > bidirectional communication. The rest, i hope you can do
> yourself.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > If I had a wish free: when you begin with reliable bidirectional
> >>  >  communication please use, for the public part, the vocabulary which
> >> is
> >>  >  present in Socket's message categories #open, #queries, #receiving,
> >>  >  #sending and #waiting. Please.
> >>  >
> >>
> >> channels don't having too much methods requiring that many category
> >> types.
> >>  As you may noticed they are very basic wrap around corresponding
> >> primitives.
> >>
> >>
> > Oh, i wasn't attentive when writing this. I meant for current
> > implementation only.
>
> ... ah, and I was just about to think that it wasn't you who wrote ;-)
>
> > Of course, a bidirectional protocol will look as much as close to
> > sockets :)
>
> NB, some fruits with HydraSMS and its same-method principle, a #doit from
> a workspace, just out of the blue and neither any other preparation nor
> other knowledge:
>
>  | sms | sms := HydraSMS doitAt: 2.
>  sms atHomeDo: [Transcript cr; show: 'Hydra .image #2 is up and running']
>
> , for which #doitAt: automagically compiles the very-same method in the
> other image :)
>
> /Klaus
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:47:54 +0200
> From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HydraTools and minimal images
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>        <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> On 15/02/2008, Klaus D. Witzel <klaus.witzel at cobss.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:52:41 +0100, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> >
> >  >>  >
> >  >>  >  > What i can currently do, is provide an implementation of
> reliable
> >  >>  >  > bidirectional communication. The rest, i hope you can do
> yourself.
> >  >>  >
> >  >>  >
> >  >>  > If I had a wish free: when you begin with reliable bidirectional
> >  >>  >  communication please use, for the public part, the vocabulary
> which
> >  >> is
> >  >>  >  present in Socket's message categories #open, #queries,
> #receiving,
> >  >>  >  #sending and #waiting. Please.
> >  >>  >
> >  >>
> >  >> channels don't having too much methods requiring that many category
> >  >> types.
> >  >>  As you may noticed they are very basic wrap around corresponding
> >  >> primitives.
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  > Oh, i wasn't attentive when writing this. I meant for current
> >  > implementation only.
> >
> >
> > ... ah, and I was just about to think that it wasn't you who wrote ;-)
> >
> >
> >  > Of course, a bidirectional protocol will look as much as close to
> >  > sockets :)
> >
> >
> > NB, some fruits with HydraSMS and its same-method principle, a #doit
> from
> >  a workspace, just out of the blue and neither any other preparation nor
> >  other knowledge:
> >
> >   | sms | sms := HydraSMS doitAt: 2.
> >   sms atHomeDo: [Transcript cr; show: 'Hydra .image #2 is up and
> running']
> >
> >  , for which #doitAt: automagically compiles the very-same method in the
> >  other image :)
> >
> >
> Be warned, that using index instead of handle to identify interpreter
> is not a good way.
>
> All primitives are handle-oriented, an #at: methods simply doing:
> HydraVM interpreters at: n.
>
> There is a danger, that when in future i add code to shutdown images,
> then indexed can be changed, and thus, code based on indexes might
> fail, because
> if you having 3 interpreters running:
>
> #(x y z)
>
> and you shutting down 2nd one,
> then 'HydraVM interpreters' will return array with 2 handles:
> #(x z) , so #at: 3 will lead to error, and #at: 2 will return different
> handle.
>
> >  /Klaus
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:56:02 +0100
> From: David R?thlisberger <squeak at c3com.ch>
> Subject: Re: MC bug?
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
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>
> Hi Stef,
>
> > (MCWorkingCopy forPackage: (MCPackage new name: 'OmniBrowser')) unload.
> > (MCWorkingCopy forPackage: (MCPackage new name: 'OB-Standard')) unload.
> > SystemBrowser removeObsolete
> >
> > and I get the OmniBrowser classes removed bu not the OB-Standard ones
>
> I once had the same problem because OBCodeBrowser was registered in
> SystemChangeNotifier events, so it couldn't get unloaded. But I got a
> debugger in
> that case, probably it's something else in your case then.
> Anyway, I then executed 'SystemChangeNotifier uniqueInstance releaseAll'.
> Afterwards
> I could unload OB-Standard without problems (was also in 3.9).
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:54:12 +0200
> From: goran at krampe.se
> Subject: Important reminder - Squeak Foundation Election 2008!
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org,
>        elections at lists.squeakfoundation.org,
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>
> Dear Squeakers,
>
> This is primarily a reminder for *nominating board member candidates*!
> The deadline for nominations is 22nd February and that is VERY SOON! For
> the full schedule, see below.
>
> Our current nominees are:
>
>        Bert Freudenberg (serving on the board currently)
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>
> Both Bert and Yoshiki were nominated by Kim Rose, VPRI.
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> Every year we elect the Squeakfoundation Board
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>
> For more information about the board, see Ron's recent email:
>
>
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/elections/2008-February/000
> 223.html
>
> Let me remind us all of the schedule:
>
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> members
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>
> regards, Göran Krampe on behalf of the Election Team
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:02:25 -0800
> From: Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [3.9.1] please check
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>        <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
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>
> Well, ultimately the people using 3.9 (which I'm not) should decide
> whether to throw out OB or not. I'm just pointing out that for a
> *maintenance* release, the removal of large chunks of code where nobody
> knows what may depend on it is generally considered a complete no-no.
> These kinds of issues should be decided when the release is originally
> made (and I'll bite my tongue here not making any sarcastic comments
> about the fact that I had argued against the inclusion of OB in the 3.9
> release in the first place).
>
> FWIW, I think Giovanni's proposal would be preferable to having an old
> version of OB in 3.9.0 and none in 3.9.1.
>
> Cheers,
>   - Andreas
>
> Lukas Renggli wrote:
> > It is a very good idea.
> >
> > The OB code in 3.9 is totally outdated. It is so old, that it is
> > impossible to just load a new version with MC. To get the latest
> > version of OB working you have to unload the old code first. I assume
> > that anybody building something with OB knows how to load the latest
> > version.
> >
> > Lukas
> >
> > On 2/15/08, Ken Causey <ken at kencausey.com> wrote:
> >> I agree, not a good idea for a maintenance release.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:46 -0800, Andreas Raab wrote:
> >>  > stephane ducasse wrote:
> >>  > >
> >>  > > + remove OB
> >>  >
> >>  > Does that mean that if people write code with a dependency on OB,
> >>  > publish on SqueakMap as "3.9" it will fail to work in 3.9.1? That's
> not
> >>  > exactly my understanding of a maintenance release.
> >>  >
> >>  > Cheers,
> >>  >    - Andreas
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:56 +0100
> From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
> Subject: Re: Important reminder - Squeak Foundation Election 2008!
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>        <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
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>
> On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:54 , goran at krampe.se wrote:
>
> > Our current nominees are:
> >
> >       Bert Freudenberg (serving on the board currently)
> >       Yoshiki Ohshima  (serving on the board currently)
> >
> > Both Bert and Yoshiki were nominated by Kim Rose, VPRI.
>
>
> On the last board meeting, those that attended agreed to re-run, so
> here is their formal nomination:
>
>        Craig Latta
>        Tim Rowledge
>        Andrew P. Black
>
> (Yoshiki and me were there too, Cees and Stephane were absent).
>
> Craig has invested a lot of time into legal issues this last year (he
> is about to send a report of our activities), Andy brought fresh
> perspectives into the group, and having Tim on board (pun intended)
> is always nice :) It has been a pleasure working with these guys, so
> I heartily recommend them for re-election. At the same time I'd love
> to see fresh blood on board, so please, keep the nominations coming!
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>
>
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