[squeak-dev] I'm stepping down as WebTeam Leader Mars 31

Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek at eranova.si
Fri Mar 14 01:29:16 UTC 2008

Brian T. Rice wrote:

> While SEO experience is an important skill for website management, I 
> think you are too partisan in your marketing for Aida and against 
> Seaside to be a serious candidate. I've done some basic effective SEO 
> tasks, and the Squeak website itself could certainly be improved in that 
> way, I fear that your solutions will inherently involve your favorite 
> hammer rather than working within Seaside (aka "what we have") the ways 
> it provides.

Yes, I'm offering to community a technology which author I am and I 
don't see the reason why I shouldn't promote it? It runs on Squeak, it 
clearly shows good results, so where you see the problem (except that 
you are strong promoter of Seaside and obviously don't like competition 
at all)? This is Squeak community, not only Seaside, neither Aida one. 
Let we both offer to community the best we have. Best in terms of 
experience and technology. And SEO results, by the way!


>> That experience can help to improve a bit otherwise already very rich
>> Squeak website. Other possibility for improvement is to upgrade
>> technology behind website and here I can again contribute with
>> Aida/Scribo CMS, which is a base for Aida's website and is currently in
>> intense development, just adding blog support. That way a Squeak website
>> will also be a show point of most advanced technology Squeakers have.
>> Which is good in my opinion for Squeak and Smalltalk promotion in 
>> general.
> Aida/Scribe CMS is the "most advanced technology Squeakers have"? While 
> it's probably quite good, I think you're revealing your self-interest.
> I don't want to debate which framework or approach to web development is 
> better (and neither do you, apparently, having made your choice and 
> vocalizing it constantly), but Squeak does have a CMS and it seems to 
> serve us as a community well enough to keep improving it. Seaside also 
> provides us with some very innovative approaches to web applications 
> development that it alone is good PR for the community.
>> To conclude, I can contribute with maintaining content on one side but
>> also to upgrade the website technology to Aida/Scribo CMS, so that a
>> website will be modern, with fresh and relevant content and with all
>> things such site needs to have those days.
> I spend a lot of time with non-Smalltalkers who do web development, and 
> myself am currently working on web applications in a non-Smalltalk (yet 
> palatable) environment, so my bias is towards the perspective of 
> outsiders who are looking for open accessible information and exposition 
> of the Squeak community and its artifacts. I would offer my candidacy as 
> an alternative to your proposed deal in which you link your volunteerism 
> to lead with an "upgrade" of the site to the application framework you 
> author and self-promote.
> I think the main "upgrade" we do need is for the Squeak Swiki, which is 
> many years old and doesn't help us with SEO at all, as I have repeatedly 
> found out while trying to google some solution for new Squeakers. Aida 
> could possibly help with that, but so could many other choices. In any 
> case, the answer is more about content and making Squeak and Squeak 
> information findable than any technology.
>> Ken Causey wrote:
>>> While I'm sure Karl welcomes your thanks it seems like maybe you and
>>> some others have missed the point.  Karl is not fishing for comments.
>>> In the recent past he has repeatedly announced that he wishes to step
>>> down from leading the website team and would like to find a replacement.
>>> He has not gotten any replies.  He is now stating that he really is
>>> leaving with a specific deadline (the end of this month) and it is now
>>> really time for someone to step up and lead the website team for the
>>> immediate future at the very least.
>>> Ken
>>> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 19:29 -0300, Germán Arduino wrote:
>>>> I also wants to thank you. The site is updated, interesting, 
>>>> complete and cool.
>>>> Thanks you.
>>>> 2008/3/13, Ron Teitelbaum <Ron at usmedrec.com>:
>>>>> Yes indeed thank you very much for your terrific service to the 
>>>>> community!
>>>>> Ron Teitelbaum
>>>>> > Le 13/03/08, karl <karl.ramberg at comhem.se> écrivait :
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >I've been Webteam leader on the Squeak website for quite a few
>>>>> > years,
>>>>> > >and have now totally lost time to keep that work, so  Mars 31 I 
>>>>> will
>>>>> > >step down. It's been a fun and interesting experience to 
>>>>> maintain the
>>>>> > >website, ftp and mailing list.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >I recommend that people interested in Squeaks web appearence join
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >webteam and maybe lead the site into new and exiting areas.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >Karl
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You did a very good job thank you very much for your time
>> --Janko Mivšek
>> AIDA/Web
>> Smalltalk Web Application Server
>> http://www.aidaweb.si
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Janko Mivšek
Smalltalk Web Application Server

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