[squeak-dev] I'm stepping down as WebTeam Leader Mars 31

Nicolas Petton petton.nicolas at gmail.com
Fri Mar 14 01:38:45 UTC 2008


Le vendredi 14 mars 2008 à 03:30 +0200, Igor Stasenko a écrit :
> On 14/03/2008, Brian T. Rice <water at tunes.org> wrote:
> >
> >  On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
> >
> >  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 05:48:29PM -0700, Brian T. Rice wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Janko Miv?ek wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >>> Hi Squeakers,
> >  >>>
> >  >>> I'd like to announce that I'm seriously thinking about helping
> >  >>> Squeak
> >  >>> community with stepping up as a WebTeam team leader.
> >  >>>
> >  >>> Let me introduce myself a bit: I already have an experience
> >  >>> building up
> >  >>> and maintaining content on Aida/Web site and I also got some
> >  >>> experience
> >  >>> how to do promotion and how to do a Search Engine Optimizations
> >  >>> (SEO).
> >  >>
> >  >> While SEO experience is an important skill for website management,
> >  >> I think
> >  >> you are too partisan in your marketing for Aida and against Seaside
> >  >> to be a
> >  >> serious candidate. I've done some basic effective SEO tasks, and
> >  >> the Squeak
> >  >> website itself could certainly be improved in that way, I fear that
> >  >> your
> >  >> solutions will inherently involve your favorite hammer rather than
> >  >> working
> >  >> within Seaside (aka "what we have") the ways it provides.
> >  >
> >  > For what it's worth, practically none of the Squeak website uses
> >  > Seaside:
> >  >
> >  > - squeak.org uses Smallwiki, which has it's own web engine.
> >
> >
> > Not Smallwiki2/Pier? Huh, that's what I thought was there.
> >
> >
> >  > - swiki uses swiki, which uses PWS
> >  > - lists.squeakfoundation.org uses Mailman, a python tool
> >  > - bugs.squeak.org uses Mantis, a php tool
> >  > - map.squeak.org uses HttpView2
> >  > - people.squeakfoundation.org uses some php tool
> >  > - source.squeakfoundation.org uses SqueakSource, which uses
> >  >  seaside.
> >  >
> >  > So, Seaside can't really be said to be "what we have"
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I'm aware of these, but it's helpful to see them presented as
> >  such a group. Well then, maybe Aida is a step forward if Janko (or his
> >  Aida users) can deliver and maintain what he seems to intend. But any
> >  upgrades should start with the Swiki since it has a large amount of
> >  content and isn't an externally-maintained piece of software (it's
> >  effectively abandonware). I certainly won't say that I like or prefer
> >  that these are all in various technologies, some grottier than others,
> >  but information visibility should be the lead goal.
> >
> >  I *would* like SqueakSource to be MUCH more friendly to external
> >  linking (some would say RESTful; I just want it SEO-friendly) but we'd
> >  need to wrangle some effort in that direction (no one in charge of SqS
> >  claims to have the time to do it yet).
> >
> >  In any case, we're talking about a pretty large effort for a community
> >  of mostly part-time people.
> >
> >
> 
> If Janko can push things with Aida, i don't mind so. Between
> stagnation and movement i choose movement.
> If he haves enough time to commit himself to fully reworking site
> content under new platform, it is only for a good, no matter what
> platform it is.
> 
> P.S. i'd prefer seaside, because i know a little about it :)
Actually, Aida is very easy to learn :)
> 
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