[squeak-dev] Re: [Newbies] Seaside vs. AIDA

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Fri Mar 21 07:21:23 UTC 2008


have a look at the seaside mailing-list archive!
I'm not sure that it is possible to get more support and feedback than  
there is **any** mailing-list.


On Mar 20, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Rob Rothwell wrote:
> Leon,
> I am both "new" to Smalltalk (been staring at an "empty" browser for  
> a couple of years!) and to Aida, but believed in the ability of  
> Smalltalk to be the right tool for the job to build some tools I  
> need in a Healthcare Environment.  I didn't know which to choose  
> either!
> As a new Smalltalker, I couldn't understand Seaside to the point  
> where I could figure out how things worked and how to do something  
> with it WITHOUT following a tutorial line by line--and yet it felt  
> very "meta-capable."  Just beyond me!  However, I have no doubt it  
> can do great things.  It just feels very theory-based for a  
> newcomer.  I felt like I HAD to understand web programming and HTML  
> just to make it work.
> Aida, I got.  Very down to earth.  Almost like "PRINT 'Hello'".  It  
> seems to abstract the web aspect a little better (for me).  While I  
> still have to ask for help, I'm usually "almost there" on my own.   
> It just seems to "make sense" to me.  I think I have actually been  
> able to turn a major Smalltalk learning curve because of Aida.  I  
> like the strong Model-View relationship it forces you to use, and,  
> indeed, supports what I am calling the "Model-View-Design" triad  
> whereby (if I actually knew more CSS) it is relatively  
> straightforward to restyle your site separate from your view and  
> from your model.  (I am SURE Seaside does this too...again...how?!).
> I'm not trying to make a pitch either way, I just followed the "keep  
> it simple" motto and went with what I could understand, and yet I  
> still worry about my choice occasionally because of the very large  
> Seaside bandwagon--Will there be more examples available?  Will I be  
> able to get more help with Seaside?  All that stuff.
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if the objective facts  
> pointed out that Seaside was better, smarter, faster...it still  
> wouldn't work for ME right now because I can't make it work.  Aida  
> could be that way for you--I would go with whichever fits YOU better  
> (or your team), because they both seem like mature products that  
> will be around for a while.
> Rob
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Leon Smith <lsmith at leonsmith.com>  
> wrote:
> I don't want to start a war here, but I have been through the first  
> steps
> with both Seaside and AIDA/Web, enough to build the start of a web  
> site.
> Before I make the commitment to one or the other, I wonder if anyone  
> has
> done a recent, objective comparison between the two ?
> They both seem very capable. I felt like I turned out a better looking
> product a little easier with AIDA, but I sense that Seaside has a much
> larger following. I also wonder if continuations are that important  
> to me.
> They also have a great many similarities. To the point where I think  
> I could
> change AIDA to use a lot of Seaside if not the other way around.
> Any real experiences between the two will be most appreciated. This  
> is a
> major decision point for me.
> Leon
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