[squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] A new anniversary without 3.10

Andreas Raab andreas.raab at gmx.de
Thu May 8 04:38:06 UTC 2008


Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de> writes:
> 
> Andreas> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>> This would be my question as well.  What *is* missing?
> 
> Andreas> Short answer? The release manager.
> 
> OK, but that release manager will be asking the same question
> I'm now asking.  So how do I get the answer?

To be clear, I think the release manager should know what a proper 
Squeak release looks like. Otherwise how does he know what he's working 
towards? But anyway, the pieces that are missing are:

1) A Mac VM: John has said that the latest that should be used is this:

   ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/Squeak%203.8.18beta3U.app.zip

Can someone just copy it into http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10/mac ?

2) Pre-packaged versions. For easy installation there should be 
per-platform packages like these:
   http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/win/Squeak3.9-win32.zip
   http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/mac/Squeak3.9-7067mac.zip
   http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/unix-linux/Squeak3.9-final-7067.zip
These packages need to include:
   - A suitable VM for the platform
   - The image and changes
   - The sources file
Basically everything a noob needs to get started and that can be linked 
from Squeak.org as a single download.

3) Suitable welcome information inside the release. Check out 
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.6/Squeak3.6-5429-full.zip for what this can look 
like - in 3.6 there is a whole bunch of interesting stuff to explore 
which makes it interesting and engaging (and sadly I will add that 3.6 
full is *smaller* than 3.10 basic). [some might consider this point 
finished and I wouldn't hold the release because of it but it seems very 
hard these days to explain to anyone who downloads Squeak what's cool 
about it]

4) Suitable welcome information for people poking around in the download 
site. In other words a README letting people know what to find where.

> In other words, how do we know we aren't done with 3.10 yet?

By simulating a noob. Try this: If you'd go to Squeak.org and wanted to 
install Squeak either for the first time or for upgrading, what would 
you need? The above points all directly relate to that question.

Cheers,
   - Andreas



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