To me the point is not how many packages are there, it is about making 
the new user aware of the existence of what is in the image, and to do 
it warmfully and playfully.

The packages still delivered in 3.10 are enough to provide a rich 
interactive introduction to Squeak. That is what is missing: welcoming 
the new user.


Stef


Keith Hodges a écrit :
> Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
>> Andreas Raab a écrit :
>>> 3) Suitable welcome information inside the release. Check out 
>>> http://ftp.squeak.org/3.6/Squeak3.6-5429-full.zip for what this can 
>>> look like - in 3.6 there is a whole bunch of interesting stuff to 
>>> explore which makes it interesting and engaging (and sadly I will add 
>>> that 3.6 full is *smaller* than 3.10 basic). [some might consider 
>>> this point finished and I wouldn't hold the release because of it but 
>>> it seems very hard these days to explain to anyone who downloads 
>>> Squeak what's cool about it]
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>> +1
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>> Squeak is not welcoming anymore... first time I met Squeak it was on 
>> 3.4 I think, and the overall first impression was great, lots of 
>> things to discover and wonder at. these days there is a dull grey 
>> background with a few windows opened on technical text, details of 
>> last updates... it could not be more different.
>>
>> Stef
> Thats the whole point of derivative images such as Fun-Squeak or 
> Squeak-dev image. Its horses for courses.
> 
> Those of us who want to actually use squeak for something in particular 
> find unloading packages harder than loading them.
> So I support the goal of trimming down the main image (though its still 
> a bit fat)
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> Keith
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