Hi Casimiro,

You are misjudging [java] again.
I am replying the issue you brought.
And, to what this list mathers, to think Java is just worthless garbage and
smalltalk is plain right doesn't help to understand how the market moves
around these.
Neither to understand what would be holding Smalltalk back. If that where
the case, which I don't think so.

Cheers

    Emilio



> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org]En nombre de
> Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
> Enviado el: Viernes, 21 de Noviembre de 2008 12:19
> Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Asunto: Re: [squeak-dev] what is holding back Smalltalk?
>
>
> Emilio Oca escreveu:
> >
> > Careful, that's not true. With trained guys it surely can be
> accomplished.
> > The small team I belong to it's an example of that.
> > Of course it is still easier with smalltalk. And I think
> previous Smalltak
> > training was key part of our success.
> > To think that everything related to java is just trash is mistaken and
> > doesn't help.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >     Emilio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> But at what cost????
>
> Java is more suited for small applications and I guess that Oracle
> people got it right when they started to migrate from old tools to Java
> in order to have better UI development. But when you have to handle
> large amounts of data and extremely dynamic objects and things like that
> Java performance drops to the point that it is better to use C++ or even
> C...
>
> Interesting enough, there are lots of re-engineering initiatives for the
> Java VM. Up to the moment nobody was able to create a VM that lessens
> the troubles with the garbage collection system and other performance
> related topics.
>
> Anyways, this list is to discuss development under squeak... I think in
> future I'll leave Java issues to Java lists...
>
>