[squeak-dev] Re: Burn the Squeak Image! (Why I am running for
eliot.miranda at gmail.com
Sat Feb 28 15:51:11 UTC 2009
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Klaus D. Witzel <klaus.witzel at cobss.com>wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:35:49 +0100, Eliot Miranda wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM, edgar De Cleene wrote:
>>> > A standard "kernel image" that everyone builds
>>> > off of has long
>>> > been a pipe dream of nearly everyone in the community. I
>>> > believe
>>> > that such an image is not achievable in the short term;
>>> > convincing all of the squeak distributions to adopt it
>>> > would be
>>> > nearly impossible to adopt incrementally.
>>> Such image exist and is MorphicCore of Pavel Krivanek.
>>> We should go towards this , removing packages from the top and reshaping
>>> packages if packages as we know today can't be unloades/loaded nicely
>> Any image containing a GUI is a non-starter IMO. People may not want a
>> (e.g. the embedded and scripting folks). People may want a particular GUI
>> (MVC, Morphic, Tweak, Newspeak, Croquet, one of the native GUIs) with no
>> vestiges of the old one. So the common image needs to be a small headless
>> core that can bootstrap any image. This image needs minimal scripting
>> support to respond to command-line bootstrap commands (including
>> cross-platform stdin & stdout and a file interface), a compiler with which
>> to compile code, collections, magnitudes, exceptions (as necessary), a
>> default error handler that dumps the stack to stdout and then aborts, and
>> that's about it.
>> All images derived from it should be derived by running scripts
>> (repeatable process).
> Sure, and Pavel's has this all, and it's working, no wonder that Edgar
> often mentions it:
> - http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/ralph/blogView?entry=3342635112
If it doesn't have a GUI then why is it called MorphicCore??!
Reading from the blog entry it looks like it has eToys removed but not much
Pavel, is it a headless image?
Klaus, if the image is not headless ten it doesn't meet my specification.
> These scripts should be versioned.
>> Further, this initial image should be built from scratch, e.g. using John
>> Maloney's MicroSqueak as a starting point.
> Interesting. Where is that one, search didn't show it:
> - http://www.google.com/search?q=John+Maloney+MicroSqueak
> [... much more good stuff cut away ...]
> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert
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