[squeak-dev] Re: Updating key morphic/etoy features in the main Squeak release

Karl Ramberg karlramberg at gmail.com
Fri Mar 13 16:00:49 UTC 2009


On 2009-03-13 10:03, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> On 13.03.2009, at 04:32, Robert Hawley wrote:
>
>> Hi Rita
>>
>> Thank you for your reply.  It is good to hear that the Etoy 
>> protagonists would be interested in back-porting Etoys improvements 
>> to the main Squeak release.
>>
>> However, do we know if the Squeak release builders want any 
>> improvements to morphic - or are they going to cut back to a 
>> minimorphic?
>
> Well, I am one of the "Etoys protagonists" and just got re-elected by 
> the community with my best-ever result (http://tinyurl.com/squeak2009) 
> so I take that as a vote pro Etoys. It still will be a major chunk of 
> work, but at least those most opposed to Etoys have their own way of 
> working on a lean Squeak now.
>
>> I still don't know what questions to ask about how things are 
>> managed. I have been looking around more - there have been some 
>> changes with lists recently that I didn't know about. (I notice that 
>> the lists are not very used as yet.) I still don't have much clue as 
>> to where to find things about what goes into the main Squeak release, 
>> who controls it, or where to look to see the current state of things. 
>> Advice would be welcome.
>
> You are not alone. The truth is, there never has been a clear process 
> ever since Squeak became community-driven. But it looks like the time 
> is ripe now for change. The community has clearly voted for Andreas 
> whose main campaigning platform was to establish those processes.
>
> Anyway, merging the latest Etoys back into a squeak.org release will 
> probably take a while. Well, unless we find enough volunteers with 
> copious amounts of spare time ;)
>
> If somebody is interested, the first thing to get an overview would be 
> to review the change logs (we started with Etoys 1.0 = Squeak 3.8 and 
> are now at Etoys 4.0):
>
> http://etoys.laptop.org/src/
>
> I'm pretty sure that rather few "system-level" methods were touched. 
> One could start by cherry-picking "interesting" changes/fixes into 3.11.
>
> For a full integration we probably need to packetize Etoys first, so 
> we can at least compare Monticello packages between Etoys and Squeak. 
> Comments welcome.
There is Pavels Minimal Morphic with Etoys split out based on Juans 
packages but those are probably 3.6  or 3.7, but is's a start :-)
I'm not sure what is considered Etoys in those packages tho...or what 
considered Etoys for that part at all.

Karl






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