[squeak-dev] Squeak users

Norbert Hartl norbert at hartl.name
Tue Mar 17 18:40:31 UTC 2009


On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:02 +0100, Julian Fitzell wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
> > My point actually was not the new list, I just used that discussion to
> > illustrate the issue I see.
> >
> > The question is if we could somehow support the (potentially large) group of
> > developers who just want to "use Squeak". There are many more Smalltalk
> > developers using Squeak than those who subscribe to the mailing lists. Be it
> > developers in a shop or students in a class, they have no intrinsic interest
> > in "advancing Squeak", at least not until they master it.
> >
> > I actually have no proposal about what to do, I just feel there is something
> > missing. Sorry for the noise ...
> 
> This runs the risk of quickly turning into another flame war over the
> number of lists, the relative merits of lists vs. forums, etc., etc.
> but I think Bert raises a valid issue here. I personally know several
> people who dabble in development using Squeak but have no interest
> whatsoever in its ongoing development (other than that it continue to
> work). There has been an assumption in the Squeak community that users
> == contributors, which will most likely become increasingly incorrect
> as(suming) the community grows.
> 
> As Bert says, the issue is not necessarily specific to a mailing list
> but a question of how resources are presented to different audiences.
> 
> Taking the Seaside mailing lists as an example just because I'm
> familiar with the numbers, there are on the order of 1000 users on the
> seaside list and only around 70 on the development list. The problems
> we discuss on the development list are just not of interest to the
> majority of Seaside users.
> 
Hmmm, that's not true for me. I really would like to read the seaside
dev mailing list. But I already have to many mailing lists to follow.
I even unsubscribed from vm-dev to get a little bit of concentration.
Mailing lists from type magma or ometa I can have dozens :) But the 
higher the volume the less lists I can mangle. That's all. 

Norbert




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