[Pharo-project] I need some advice (was Re: [squeak-dev] Organising and Documenting Micro-Universes in Squeaksource)

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Fri Mar 20 09:02:22 UTC 2009


Hi goran

I did not get at all why you need a new format.
Without self.
I think that if you want adoption of deltastream do not mix them with  
a file format.

Stef

On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Göran Krampe wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Keith Hodges wrote:
>> Also with DeltaStreams integration with Installer, we might have the
>> ability to load into a "Delta/SystemEditor" rather than actually in  
>> to
>> the image.
>
> Ah! There's my queue! :)
>
> Yes, although I only read casually what you are talking about I do  
> agree
> with the general notions expressed. And yes, hopefully we will soon  
> have
> Deltas in a useful form.
>
> Quick status again, followed with some questions:
>
> - Lots of tests are now green, still lots of tests not green but  
> most of
> them are "wishful thinking"-tests and not really broken tests.
> - I am refactoring and cleaning right now, as a pre-cursor to adding  
> the
> new file format.
> - I am also just beginning to try out Tirade as a file format. For  
> more
> info on Tirade, see my first article:
>
>    http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade.rdoc
>
> So in a relatively short timeperiod I hope we have code to load and  
> save
> Deltas as xxx.d (Delta Tirade format) and xxx.dgz (Gzipped). Would  
> these
> two file extensions work? Or should we use convention *.d and *.d.gz?
>
> Next step IMHO is to write a Dual Change Sorter-ish tool for Deltas  
> - I
> would also like to hear advice on how to build that in order to:
>
> - Be compatible with as many Squeak forks as possible.
> - Get a clean nice simple tool.
>
> Just copy plain dual change sorter? Use Toolbuilder? Use MC codebase?
> Omnibase?
>
> The end goal would be to fully replace Dual Change Sorter - which  
> means
> that I would also like to have some support for loading a cs as a  
> Delta
> and to save a Delta as a plain cs.
>
> ...and as always, if you like to join us in moving Deltastreams  
> forward,
> just holler!
>
> regards, Göran
>
>
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