> Obviously recent discussions regarding to the development of squeak and
> the "spin-offs" didn't help much. In one hand they project an image of a
> fractured community (and managers hate this kind of thing) and in the
> other it reinforces the image of "a beta stuff" (meaning something with
> specs really open & morphing/mutating development
> boundaries/implemantations) and managers hate this too...

both images do reflect reality quite accurately, so there is not much we 
can do about it...

Stef