El vie, 06-11-2009 a las 07:22 -0300, Juan Vuletich escribió:

> Hey, nice talk. Now, what are your own great dreams with Squeak? What 
> are you doing to pursue them?

I must say that I am not as great programmer as Andreas or Yoshiki or
any other you list. But that is not the point. The 90% of the squeak
subscribers aren't and that is not to be ashamed. So I'm not.
If we can't write a new Morphic or a Ballon 3d or whatever that doesn't
mean that we don't want or could contribute to squeak.

Besides, Tweak, Etoys, UGP aren't the squeak future or goals, but
projects built on top of Squeak. 

My question, in simple terms is, what are the goals of Squeak. Something
like, for example:

- minimal under 10 MB core image.
- Etoys removal
- All packages removed from image and easily loaded from squeak source
- In core only collections, compiler, kernel and I/O.
- Purge of squeaksource or new squeak source with maintained packages
- fix of squeakmap mess
- new framework for managing packages/dependencies/configuration
(sake/packages, metacello, other) in next minimal squeak core

Things like that.
They are only examples. But show to those that want to contribute what
points are the most important to aim for the next Squeak version.

It has been said many times that 3.11 is all about tool but, for the
common, unsavy squeak list subscriber, what are the tools, what can be
help, maybe not code but documentation, blog posts, publicity,
announcing.

I could never make my own Squeak version like you, but that doesn't
means that I couldn't help by promoting squeak and making tutorials and
in general making the world aware of this little thing called Squeak
that I think that is marvelous but I can also note that _nobody_ knows
and use. I would like to help fix that but that attitude of *we are
doing good and we don't need that a newbie that hasn't contributed
anything the size of Cuis, Etoys, Croquet ask anything about the squeak
future* doesn't help and only push the people to other forks with more
*visible* future stablished.

> 
> I can tell you about mine. Or you can read in this list and my web page 
> about Cuis and Morphic 3. I can tell about Bert, Yoshiki and VPRI 
> (Etoys, OLPC, FONC). I can tell about Andreas (Balloon 3D, Tweak, 
> Croquet, Teleplace). I can tell about Gulik (the Unnamed Grand Project). 
> Same for many others here. What about you?
> 
> This community can only achieve what its members actually do. For 
> instance, the last 2 years I gave up about 1/3 of the money I was making 
> just to have time to work on Cuis, Morphic 3 and to contribute to 
> Squeak. You can see some of the results of that in the trunk. What about 
> you?
> 
> And no, thanks. We don't need yet another non-contributing visionary.
> 

Pity for the 90% of squeak list subscribers. We are not as smart to
pertain to this community

Thanks for your time.



> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
> 
-- 
Miguel Cobá
http://miguel.leugim.com.mx