El mié, 11-11-2009 a las 00:08 +0200, Igor Stasenko escribió:
> 2009/11/10 Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
> > Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote:
> >>
> >> I prefer to use PharoCore for deployment and not worry about trimming a
> >> squeak image when loading several images on production. The squeak
> >> stable image is to big, and you must update it and then trimming it.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, what have you been trimming in the past for your
> > production deployments?
> >
> >> PS. to the "against-recommending-pharo" souls, this is not a pharo
> >> advertisement, just I think that Magma is as stable and solid on Pharo
> >> as is on Squeak, no matter its short life.
> >
> > I think it may be helpful to phrase your comments a bit more carefully. Keep
> > in mind that the split between Pharo and Squeak has left just as many people
> > wounded here as it has in the Pharo world. There is no need to rub it in
> > every time you post here. A bit caution is useful since you don't know the
> > history and the individuals involved.
> >
> 
> +1
> 
> i want to see a success for both Squeak and Pharo (!!SERIOUSLY!!). I
> don't see much barriers why they could not coexist peacefully and
> exchange the ideas. But if we start agitating people, like Miguel
> does, there are less chances to have a peaceful coexistance, and maybe
> Miguel don't realizing that he does more damage to Pharo by agitating
> people to switch on it, than
> any potential benefit, because there always other people who
> potentially would consider to contribute to Pharo, but don't like the
> attitude how people like Miguel treating Squeak.

WTF are you saying. 

I am not against Squeak but I also promote Pharo for my own personal
views. But from that to bash squeak there is a big gap.

Regarding the "attitude" you talk about. I put the PS in the reply
because of the reply of Edgar in

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-November/140726.html

was very loudly about a simple and honest question

So I replied in

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-November/140732.html


And no, I didn't say hey, don't use squeak, doesn't work, is bad, it is
the plage[sic]. No. I said:

> Do you need Squeak for some reason? If not, just use Pharo.

An honest questions, if he needs squeak then well try to fix the problem
for Squeak. If he doesn't need squeak, then why lose time, use Pharo and
get *the real problem in his hand* solved and go on.

Cheers.


 
> 
> I don't ask you join us, but please don't fight against us.

Sorry but you are the one fighting.

> 
> Edgar
> 
> 


So, man don't do this thread more flaming that is already. I have
accepted the Andreas' advice about carefully wording the posts but don't
accuse me of this "attitude how people like Miguel treating Squeak."




> 
> People choosing the platform to work with for own reasons, lets just
> respect their choice.
> 

Again, I never said that _should_ or _must_ change to Pharo, only asked
if he needed Squeak for some specific reason or package. If not, maybe
he could just use Pharo and continue working in his app/demo/setup
whatever.

Puf! And I am the one with the attitude! Yeah!

-- 
Miguel Cobá
http://miguel.leugim.com.mx