Ah, well.

Well put.

It was a real pain getting Polymorph integrated with my image. Once I
had it working though, I had a blast with it.

It would be really cool if Squeak encouraged skinning out of the box,
but maybe now isn't the time. Making it look cooler out of the box
probably is the bigger win.

Still, "costumes" for system windows and buttons and such is probably
the best way to do it in the long run.

I am going to back down for now, though. When I really think about it,
I'd rather see a new, stable release first, and find the best way to
skin it later.

On Thursday, September 17, 2009, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de> wrote:
> Torsten Bergmann wrote:
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> That's why I like the Newspeak look. (it's got nothing to do with the Pharo Look which was a plain Mac clone last time I checked). The Newspeak look is quite individual and consistent in its appearance without looking silly or unprofessional.
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> Ok, this is your opinion, others may have another preference on the
> UI look. But that is not the point here. The question is what gives maximum freedom so one is not bound to a single l&f.
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> So: Polymorph and Pharo are different things. If you dont like
> Pharo then dont put Polymorph away too early!
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> I think you are misinterpreting what I was saying. My comment was about a previous comment that said "it looks like Pharo". I'm fully aware that Pharo uses Polymorph with some Apple theme.
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> But the issue of integrating Polymorph should be separate from our ability to apply a few tweaks that make the out of the box look a little nicer. Let's not conflate one with the other - dealing with some 6k of Botox injections for a little face lift is a bit different than dealing with 300k of monkey patches, 150 classes and 3000 methods that make up Polymorph.
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> Cheers,
>   - Andreas
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> Pharo just uses the UI Enhancements and theming of Polymorph by having the Polymorph package loaded - so can Squeak! Polymorph was created
> in Squeak and is independent from Pharo.
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> The Mac like look ("Watery2) is only one visual theme, you can use
> the preferences to switch to "Vistary" or "Soft Squeak" or create an own.
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> You like the Newspeak look -  so just create a theme for Polymorph.
> With many themes the community can vote which one to use by default
> and one can easily switch if it is not his preferred.
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> Others may dislike Newspeak or may be forced to use another style:
> I think this was the reason why someone contributed the old style Win95/Win2000 look to Polymorph, and it got integrated by Gary
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> Really have a look at Gary's work!
> Bye
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