John & Stephane,

Fair enough and good to know that folks like ESUG will be weighing  
in.  I think you're on the right track re: gathering vocal support  
from the Scratch community that is constructive rather than bashing  
Apple, and have mainly been wondering why there wasn't a more  
concerted push from the Smalltalk and dynamic languages community in  
general talking about how policies like this would make iPhone OS a  
non-viable platform for them and push them to invest in alternatives  
such as Android to the exclusion of iPhone OS, rather than in addition  
to it.  I'm not sure how much additional impact that would have, but  
the endgame for many tools/languages on iPhone OS doesn't seem to be  
very far off and I'm not terribly optimistic on how this will be  
decided.

Thanks,
Phil


On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:48 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:

> Phil, last week I asked the smalltalk community (ESUG  etc), to stay  
> claim and wait for Apple to think about it based on an email
> exchange I had with Steve Jobs. At the time I thought it prudent to  
> wait a further decision or statement.
>
> Give that Wired publish Alan & my thoughts on the matter it's likely  
> now time to consider what to do next.
>
> So this is NOT the fault of ESUG not being proactive, they were  
> itching to do something.
>
> At the moment I believe they are collecting ideas how to approach  
> the problem in a meaningful manner.
> Suggestions are welcome.
>
>
> On 2010-04-21, at 1:29 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
>
>> I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re:  
>> how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for  
>> Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in  
>> the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out.   
>> Wouldn't now be a good time to try to get some visibility on the  
>> larger issue?
>>
>> Phil
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