Hi Pavel,

Thanks for your offer! I've been talking to Juan about an approach that 
might give us at least a feel about the size of the effort we're talking 
about, namely to use the Cuis image and cluster all classes and methods 
into three categories:
* Unchanged. Those classes and methods exist both in current Squeak 
trunk and Cuis.
* Squeak-Only. Those classes and methods do only exist in Squeak.
* Modified. Those classes and methods are different between Cuis and Squeak.
The idea here is to get a feel for the size of the effort before it gets 
into the details (i.e., it would help us to understand whether the 
modified portions are 1% or 10% of the total size). Do you think the 
approach would be equally applicable to your Kernel images?

Speaking of which, I'm not entirely sure what the scope or direction for 
these images is. Can you say a little bit about whether there's some 
underlying theme to this work (i.e., do you have actual use cases for 
these kernel images) or is it mostly just an attempt to make things smaller?

Lastly, where can I find one of those kernel images these days? I'm 
interested in seeing how different or similar the structure is, in 
particular compared to Cuis.

Cheers,
   - Andreas


On 8/22/2010 1:05 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de>  wrote:
>> On 8/20/2010 7:30 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10 9:04 AM, "Juan Vuletich"<juan at jvuletich.org>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Andreas and Juan would like to find a way to leverage the work done to
>>>> reduce Cuis for Squeak. Ideally, Squeak would become a smaller kernel,
>>>> about the size of Cui
>>>
>>> You have a kernel and this is the Pharo Kernel, mostly Pavel work.
>>
>> I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about, can you elaborate? Is there
>> an image to look at and learn from? So far, I found Cuis to be the best
>> alternative.
>>
>>> Why smart people like both you desire do all again ?
>>
>> Mostly because doing something like that requires help from the people who
>> have done it before. I haven't seen a post from Pavel in two years; to me
>> that is a clear expression of disinterest. Contrary to which Juan isn't only
>> present, but he's also ran and be elected to the Squeak board and has
>> repeatedly expressed his willingness to help. All other things being equal,
>> that seems like a vast advantage, wouldn't you agree?
>>
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> I'm ready to help you.
>
> -- Pavel
>
>