[squeak-dev] a little more due process
siguctua at gmail.com
Tue Feb 16 20:12:54 UTC 2010
On 16 February 2010 21:55, keith <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> I have always followed the adage "Go where you are celebrated, not where you
> are tolerated".
> I am ONLY here in squeak-dev because cuis does not have its own mailing
> list, I wish it did.
> Squeak as a social community doesn't just have bad karma, but its "leaders"
> are setting out to generate it because they have totally forgotten where
> we/they were planning to go in the first place.
> It might be useful to clearly re-iterate a previously stated goal of the old
> squeak release team, and the board:
> The goal of having a minimal kernel images upon which you can build and test
> derived images of your choice.
> This goal was so that forks merely become a "build of technical preference",
> on a minimal starting point (eventually "spoon") rather than politically
> charged splinter groups such as Pharo. This goal would have enabled us to
> avoid panicking and getting scared of falling behind pharo, but to
> facilitate exchange of ideas between all forks such that pharo becomes a
> positive part of the squeak story rather than an isolated disaffected group.
> Perhaps you as the community should be asking what if anything the board
> have done towards this goal.
I did some contributions to both trunk and Pharo :)
They're small and insignificant. But i'm not telling people what they
should do and not fighting over a years
about direction they choosing.
You could battle with them all the time, but the fact is, that there
is a progress. And it doesn't really matter that you thinking it
Progress is good, everything else is just blabbering noise.
Please, understand that it is very slow process to hop on to new
quality level (minimal image, modular design). It takes years and
years.. and can't be decided politically. People should realize what
they gaining and what they losing and why they need it. Only then when
we get a critical mass, we can move. But not now.
P.S. If you wait long enough, you'll see how corpses of your enemies
drifting down the river. (Chinese lore).
> As for me, you can find me in #cuis on irc.feenode.com if you want to.
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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