[squeak-dev] Re: a little more due process
Ken G. Brown
kbrown at mac.com
Wed Feb 17 00:23:55 UTC 2010
At 4:17 PM -0800 2/16/10, Andreas Raab apparently wrote:
>>>With such an outrageous claim, can I ask you to either provide actual evidence (quotes, logs, etc) which board members believe this to be a dictatorship or, if you are unable to provide said evidence, retract your false accusation?
>>Your wish is my command. You may have been puzzled as to why I have been so vocal, I am only reacting against this kind of dictatorship talk.
>Is that all you got? A single quote from a single discussion on IRC? If anything it goes to show that my dislike of IRC is well justified. The inability to make a complete argument combined with public logs makes sure that if you actually engage in discussion you're going to say certain things that should be off-records; except they're not because it's in the logs.
>I *very* much doubt that Randal meant this sentence as a "It's a dictatorship, damnit, get used to it!"
>From several conversations I've seen over time, I very much believe this is exactly the way he meant it.
Ken G. Brown
>but rather as a casual observation to get a point across as one would in a casual conversation. I would disagree even with that but I have no doubt that Randal used a bit of rhetoric to emphasize the point that a decision must be made somewhere at times, and that he's willing to take this responsibility (which I agree with but that's a very long shot from calling it a dictatorship). Misinterpreting him in the way you're doing is basically assuming bad faith on Randal's behalf.
>I don't use IRC precisely for the reason that it's not a medium to make a concise argument; it's a discussion medium where thoughts flow freely and the written argument shouldn't be recorded any more than when you have a verbal conversation over lunch.
> - Andreas
>>Randal also blatantly said that "the end justifies the means".
>>16:57:33 <keithy> the whole point was to be philosophically inclusive
>>16:57:38 <keithy> otherwise squeak is dead
>>16:57:46 <keithy> trunk is not inclusive
>>16:58:07 <RandalSchwartz> at some point, it's a dictatorship. perhaps you never liked that.
>>16:58:07 <keithy> trunk is one fork
>>16:58:21 <keithy> it is not a dictatorship
>>16:58:25 <RandalSchwartz> the official fork, yes
>>16:58:30 <RandalSchwartz> what we call "Squeak"
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