[squeak-dev] I Want Keith Hodges Banned

Karl Ramberg karlramberg at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 17:18:14 UTC 2010

keith skrev 2010-02-18 13:38:
>> I think that main issue why Chris wants Keith banned is not his
>> position and opinion,
>> but his continuous and repetituous attacks on a single subject.
>> With all respect to Keith, and his position, i don't understand why i
>> need to read the same things over and over again,
>> why i need to waste time explaining my own position over and over again.
>> For intelligent/wise people its usually takes 1 or 2 attempts to
>> understand something. You either understand it, or not and then based
>> on outcome you either sharing the same thoughts with others or just
>> leave things as it, because you can't understand or disagree.
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
> And the continuation of this discussion is needed and will go on 
> forever until the board gets "terms of reference" and goes back to 
> being an "oversight" committee rather than acting like and believing 
> they are dictators.
> See I said it again... I did not mention Germans... I mentioned 
> dictators, and I quoted Satre, go and look the word up in the dictionary.
> I will not be making any further contribution until the board has 
> terms of reference.
> I have left this community.
> I will not be running for the board or voting for the board.
> All my projects published on squeaksource are no longer maintained 
> unless I need to fix them for commercial reasons. The reason for this 
> is that it is impossible to maintain and test packages for all forks, 
> if it works it works, if it doesn't work for your context then you 
> have to fix it for your context. The context (image) I am using to 
> develop things is not the same image you are using, so because there 
> is no universally useful testing framework for making sure everything 
> is ok in all forks. We had that vision, we don't any more. The process 
> of actually maintaining a cross-fork package is not supported by any 
> tools or political will to make tools, so it is only fair to say that 
> nothing is supported, because I don't have time, and no-one is paying 
> me to support your fork, (which includes trunk)
> Incidentally I am also moving away from dependence on squeaksource and 
> monticello so you probably will not even find my future code, because 
> there is no framework for publishing what is available in my context, 
> so that you can see it might be useful in your context. So it would be 
> unfair of me to tell you that my projects are supported, if they are 
> only supported in an image I have control over, which is the truth.
> I am ONLY here because Cuis is here, I am not in #squeak irc any more, 
> because I wont be treated like that again. There is now a #cuis room too.
> If cuis gets its own mailing list I will go there.
> Squeak is not a viable basis for comerical work since the "community" 
> is too unstable, and the code base is out of your control. If you bet 
> the house on it, someone will knock your house down (you have been warned)
This sentiment must be taken with a grain of salt.
Scratch is probaly the most widely used Squeak application and I have 
not heard any complaints from them on this matter.
I gave you a warning quite early about the huge burnout rate of Squeak 
realease team members. It's not clear to me that even if you completed 
your job with thew 3.11 release, that anybody would use it. Just like 
the Modules image it could be abandoned because of issues with tools and 
integration. I never looked at your stuff , but I've used Mantis and I 
do not like it. It seems futile to base future development on tools that 
people find obscure and hard to use.

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