[squeak-dev] I Want Keith Hodges Banned

Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 18:06:32 UTC 2010

I take from this that we need to *not* have terms of reference for the
board.  Keith has, I hope (why do I doubt it?), offered to exclude himself
form this community and that is something I will very much appreciate.  The
recent IRC log displays a degree of emotional and intellectual immaturity I
found quite shocking.  It also included some pathetic arse licking and gang
behaviour from others and reminded me of nothing as much as my 9 year old
son's own battles at school.  I think that Keith is essentially a mediocre
talent who has some good ideas but who doesn't execute very well. Keith
himself said in the IRC log three years of work on continuous integration
was wasted by the new trunk.  Three years is simply too long in this space.
 Others have got bored waiting and have started playing a different game,
but Keith's reaction is to have a sustained hissy fit.  Rather than do all
the hard work necessary to make his work accessible to others he has emoted
repetitiously to an extent that has exhausted the patience of many in the
community.  I am relieved to hear keith has decided to stomp off to the
other side of the playground.  The IRC log shows how much energy is wasted
on emoting instead of working.

So can we please /not/ have a terms of reference and /not/ welcome Keith
back into the fold?  If he produces good work in Cuis we can put in the
effort to harvest it, and in the mean time concentrate our energies on
Squeaking rather than bleating.


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:38 AM, keith <keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I think that main issue why Chris wants Keith banned is not his
> position and opinion,
> but his continuous and repetituous attacks on a single subject.
> With all respect to Keith, and his position, i don't understand why i
> need to read the same things over and over again,
> why i need to waste time explaining my own position over and over again.
> For intelligent/wise people its usually takes 1 or 2 attempts to
> understand something. You either understand it, or not and then based
> on outcome you either sharing the same thoughts with others or just
> leave things as it, because you can't understand or disagree.
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
> And the continuation of this discussion is needed and will go on forever
> until the board gets "terms of reference" and goes back to being an
> "oversight" committee rather than acting like and believing they are
> dictators.
> See I said it again... I did not mention Germans... I mentioned dictators,
> and I quoted Satre, go and look the word up in the dictionary.
> I will not be making any further contribution until the board has terms of
> reference.
> I have left this community.
> I will not be running for the board or voting for the board.
> All my projects published on squeaksource are no longer maintained unless I
> need to fix them for commercial reasons. The reason for this is that it is
> impossible to maintain and test packages for all forks, if it works it
> works, if it doesn't work for your context then you have to fix it for your
> context. The context (image) I am using to develop things is not the same
> image you are using, so because there is no universally useful testing
> framework for making sure everything is ok in all forks. We had that vision,
> we don't any more. The process of actually maintaining a cross-fork package
> is not supported by any tools or political will to make tools, so it is only
> fair to say that nothing is supported, because I don't have time, and no-one
> is paying me to support your fork, (which includes trunk)
> Incidentally I am also moving away from dependence on squeaksource and
> monticello so you probably will not even find my future code, because there
> is no framework for publishing what is available in my context, so that you
> can see it might be useful in your context. So it would be unfair of me to
> tell you that my projects are supported, if they are only supported in an
> image I have control over, which is the truth.
> I am ONLY here because Cuis is here, I am not in #squeak irc any more,
> because I wont be treated like that again. There is now a #cuis room too.
> If cuis gets its own mailing list I will go there.
> Squeak is not a viable basis for comerical work since the "community" is
> too unstable, and the code base is out of your control. If you bet the house
> on it, someone will knock your house down (you have been warned)
> Manifesto for Cuis based development coming up...
> Keith
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