> I understand most of your points, how hard it is to get fire from any
> side even when you tried to shape a better future and all
> the other problems discussed here - the real question for you is
> if you are able to leave the past behind and will be able
> to share a new future again within this community

Firstly that depends on the board producing some "terms of reference".

Secondly wasting three years on writing code for someone else and not  
getting supported in it, or paid for it, is not a mistake I really  
want to repeat.

Bob has some similar features to Hudson/whatever and has a somewhat  
simpler seaside UI. You mention MC having issues, well I did spend 6  
months trying to fix said issues, and I made a public repository so MC  
could be a common project for all forks. Metacello very  
overengineered. Does it track Universes package definitions? Gofer, a  
complex heirarhcy for four actual methods which do anything

According to you, it appears I should kick back, relax and if I wait  
long enough Lukas will develop it for me.

Good point, but Lukas doesn't tell you what he is going to do in  
advance, if you build anything on lukas' stuff be preopared to find  
the whole infrastructure changing under you in a weekend, he wont even  
look at any thing you offer as an addon. (e.g. Pier-Magma), so he wont  
think twice about breaking it and he doesnt incorporate feedback very  
readily. As one of the longest term, and most deeply involved pier  
users. Using pier as a basis for anything, was another one of those  
mistakes I should learn from.

regards

Keith.