[squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org

Squeak List squeaklist at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 26 07:55:47 UTC 2010


Alexander,
 
i did everything in your video. many times...
 
and exact same as before: it updates to 9957 - and does not save the preference to update from Trunk...
 
thanks for your efforts - i appreciate it.
 
ken
 




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From: Alexander Lazarević <laza at blobworks.com>
To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:27:12 AM
Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org

What buttons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXE1XwdtX1M


2010/6/25 Squeak List <squeaklist at yahoo.com>

Michael,
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>the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well):  i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
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>which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
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>" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
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>YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
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>and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
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>Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
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>ken
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>Hi,
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>I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more
>appropriate place ...
>
>Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates
>in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to
>be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the
>update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences
>(under Monticello)?
>
>Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm
>enjoying the speedup. :-)
>
>Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that
>Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its
>glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but
>also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably
>not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well
>suited for.
>
>To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it,
>it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus
>the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is
>completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
>
>Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
>
>Best,
>
>Michael
>
>On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List <squeaklist at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
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>> yet, i go to:
>> "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released
>> Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance.  It is available on our ftp site."
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>> and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
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>> what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
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>> i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
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>> windows vista 32 bit here.
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>> i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
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>> otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
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>> and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
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>> i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
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>> sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
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>> thanx all,
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>> ken
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