[squeak-dev] Re: [Election] Candidate list with 11 candidates is final, 6 days until election starts!

Andreas Raab andreas.raab at gmx.de
Fri Mar 5 16:43:46 UTC 2010

On 3/5/2010 8:30 AM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote:
> El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 16:54 +0100, Michael Haupt escribió:
>> Hi Miguel,
>> thank you for the insightful remarks.
>> 2010/3/5 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez<miguel.coba at gmail.com>:
>>> ... So if Seaside, Magritte, Etoys or whatever is
>>> loadable in a core/dev Pharo image, the Pharo guys happily use it.
>>> It is just that we don't want to have it in the core image. For us is
>>> just a package that you can load in Pharo (when Etoys is a real laodable
>>> plackage) and use it if you need it. Isn't nothing different as Seaside
>>> for someone that don't give a dime for Seaside. If it can be loaded
>>> good, if isn't part of the core image, better yet.
>> Isn't Etoys (un)loadable in Squeak these days?
> Yes, but Squeak is working the opposite path than Pharo.

You're confusing packaging with direction. The direction of Squeak is 
very clearly towards more modularity. The packaging hasn't been decided 
yet and it's too early to say how this is going to look.

   - Andreas

> Pharo builds and strips everything not wanted in core and PUBLISH a core
> image. Then the users or interested developers, build different
> "distros" using the PharoCore and a handful of Metacello configurations.
> Then those distros are published for the final users to use. Also, there
> is an implicit "build your own" image in all this community. They are
> given the core, the list of Metacello configurations and the knowledge
> to build their own custom, nothing more than necessary, image. The dev
> images that are being built are for the users that want a image ready to
> use, but the idea is that each developer of user of Pharo just build
> their custom image (Pharo is giving options). So if someone wants an
> image with RFB, Seaside and Etoys, just take a PharoCore, and loads
> ConfigurationOfRFB, ConfigurationOfSeaside and ConfigurationOfEtoys
> (when available) and is done.
> No need to have everything but the sink and then "unload" what you don't
> want (and searching and knowing what you don't need is not an easy
> thing). Is just the opposite, put just what you need.
> Cheers
>> The core image thing is really not that much of an issue; given a set
>> of loadable packages, any kind of image can be tailored and made
>> available for download.
>> Best,
>> Michael

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