[squeak-dev] Re: Newspeak GSoC?
josh at schwa.ca
Sun Mar 7 08:12:04 UTC 2010
On Mar 6, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Gilad Bracha wrote:
> Thanks for the thought. I can certainly mentor such work - I'm already doing this with a number of Masters students. That said, I have no idea if the ESUG community cares to include Newspeak related stuff in its list of projects. My honest impression is that Newspeak doesn't really appeal to the Smalltalk community, though I'd love to be proven wrong.
What do you base this impression on? The amount of contributions to Newspeak? The level of activity on the forums?
I have less data to go on than you do, but my guess is that Newspeak hasn't been quite mature enough for people who want to build projects in Newspeak (as opposed to working on Newspeak itself). It seems like the situation is steadily improving (unfortunately, I haven't yet found time to play with the most recent release).
Anyway, in this case it's not the broad Smalltalk that matters, it's ESUG. After looking at their website and the diversity of Smalltalk activities that they support, I would be surprised if they wouldn't happily include Newspeak projects under their GSoC umbrella. Can't hurt to ask...
> One reason for this apparent lack of interest is that might be the fact that Newspeak is not really a Smalltalk dialect.
It's a Smalltalk to me, along with Smalltalk-72 and Self. I've taken it for granted that most here see it that way, but I may be wrong. Can I get a show of hands of anyone who doesn't think Newspeak is a Smalltalk?
> It's more of a Smalltalk descendant. It is quite easy to migrate from Smalltalk to Newspeak however; we've done that with a substantial body of code (most of the Strongtalk version of the blue book libraries, our own GUI and IDE code and a few other things) and the result is generally better than the original because of Newspeak's modularity properties.
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Josh Gargus wrote:
>> Since ESUG is going to act as the umbrella organization for GSoC projects in all Smalltalk dialects, perhaps this offers an opportunity for Newspeak to recruit some labor?
> Cheers, Gilad
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