[squeak-dev] [Election] ...is soon upon us! Last day info
keith_hodges at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Mar 11 23:53:48 UTC 2010
>> The only failure I saw was a failure of the board to have some
>> standards of fairness, humility, communication and respect. Pretty
>> sad state
>> of affairs "among friends" I think.
>> So having identified the failure, if you are so willing to learn
>> how about
>> fixing it, at the point of failure? i.e. the Board and its lack of
>> And while we are talking about failures and fairness, whatever
>> happened to
>> Squeak 5.0 Spoon etc?
> I applaud your talent on turning everything to negative plane, leaving
> all positive moments behind.
Excuse me, you are the one who just called my cool working CI server
"a failure" how much more negative can you get?
Identifying the root of the problem is not negative, it is honest.
> I'm sorry, but i can't answer in same manner to you, because i know
> that we all doing a painful mistakes sometimes.
> And people who doing them, deserve to be forgiven.
You have two things confused here, forgiveness and reconciliation.
Forgiveness is about me letting go of what I feel you owe me, which is
nothing, so "you are forgiven" - enjoy. I am no longer reliant on
squeak or the squeak board for my work, so I have successfully rescued
myself from a very painful technical predicament that you placed me
in, and I am free, thanks in the most part to cuis.
Reconciliation is different, that requires you to actually do
something not just shrug your shoulders and say it doesn't matter. I
offered you (the board) the route to restoration, and you steadfastly
refuse to take it. That is to at least try to ensure that this doesn't
Building your house on sand is never a good idea, so fixing the
problem is recommended. This is not for my benefit that I suggested
you get a constitution, it was for yours, so that you can restore
yourself form your fallen position. The board is still in the same
moral gutter that you fell into, because you haven't moved. I didn't
say that I would not contribute to squeak unless it had a genuine
constitution for no reason. Squeak the community is broken, and will
remain broken until you take the first step to fix it.
In my counselling experience, an abuser does not stop being an abuser,
by being forgiven. If you haven't changed anything then you haven't
If you think that blaming me helps then fine, but that is like a
driver blaming a parked car for his accident. I was sitting at home,
minding my own business, and working on the stuff I said I would work
on when this all blew up.
If this type of situation can happen three times, then it can happen a
forth time and a fifth.
Bert says that being on the board is like being among friends. That is
as maybe, but when you let politics get in the way of friendship, the
friendship is either over or it never was. So its time to stop
pretending that this is about friendships, we had a good crew on irc
for the past three years, along comes Andreas, a relative outsider to
the irc crew, ignores all the existing channels, and over-rules. Where
was the friendship operating there? A friend would have told him to
get stuffed, where was he for the past 3/4 years, he had not
contributed a bean to the community, and even the fixes he did
contribute was like getting blood out of a stone.
Being honest it's about agenda's, and a preference for competing and
doing your own stuff rather than putting the effort in to work with
others on something.
Come on how many people have volunteered to help Edgar in his grand
schemes? If they did that would be actual collaboration. Leadership is
about helping others to fulfil their visions, not about dictating what
the vision is for everyone, and scattering the rest to the four winds.
Andreas has the teleplace adenda, and quite simply he wants control of
the image, so that it works the way he wants it to. (Btw: How many
teleplace employees are candidates for the election?, just curious,
before its too late)
My agenda was the opposite - to provide tools that you could make the
image anything you wanted it to be. One is about control, the other is
So your answer is no you are not prepared or interested in addressing
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