>>
>> The only failure I saw was a failure of the board to have some  
>> minimal
>> standards of fairness, humility, communication and respect. Pretty  
>> sad state
>> of affairs "among friends" I think.
>> So having identified the failure, if you are so willing to learn  
>> how about
>> fixing it, at the point of failure? i.e. the Board and its lack of  
>> protocol.
>> And while we are talking about failures and fairness, whatever  
>> happened to
>> Squeak 5.0 Spoon etc?
>> K.
>>
>
> I applaud your talent on turning everything to negative plane, leaving
> all positive moments behind.

Excuse me, you are the one who just called my cool working CI server  
"a failure" how much more negative can you get?

Identifying the root of the problem is not negative, it is honest.

> I'm sorry, but i can't answer in same manner to you, because i know
> that we all doing a painful mistakes sometimes.
> And people who doing them, deserve to be forgiven.

You have two things confused here, forgiveness and reconciliation.  
Forgiveness is about me letting go of what I feel you owe me, which is  
nothing, so "you are forgiven" - enjoy. I am no longer reliant on  
squeak or the squeak board for my work, so I have successfully rescued  
myself from a very painful technical predicament that you placed me  
in, and I am free, thanks in the most part to cuis.

Reconciliation is different, that requires you to actually do  
something not just shrug your shoulders and say it doesn't matter. I  
offered you (the board) the route to restoration, and you steadfastly  
refuse to take it. That is to at least try to ensure that this doesn't  
happen again.

Building your house on sand is never a good idea, so fixing the  
problem is recommended. This is not for my benefit that I suggested  
you get a constitution, it was for yours, so that you can restore  
yourself form your fallen position. The board is still in the same  
moral gutter that you fell into, because you haven't moved. I didn't  
say that I would not contribute to squeak unless it had a genuine  
constitution for no reason. Squeak the community is broken, and will  
remain broken until you take the first step to fix it.

In my counselling experience, an abuser does not stop being an abuser,  
by being forgiven. If you haven't changed anything then you haven't  
changed anything.

If you think that blaming me helps then fine, but that is like a  
driver blaming a parked car for his accident. I was sitting at home,  
minding my own business, and working on the stuff I said I would work  
on when this all blew up.

If this type of situation can happen three times, then it can happen a  
forth time and a fifth.

Bert says that being on the board is like being among friends. That is  
as maybe, but when you let politics get in the way of friendship, the  
friendship is either over or it never was. So its time to stop  
pretending that this is about friendships, we had a good crew on irc  
for the past three years, along comes Andreas, a relative outsider to  
the irc crew, ignores all the existing channels, and over-rules. Where  
was the friendship operating there? A friend would have told him to  
get stuffed, where was he for the past 3/4 years, he had not  
contributed a bean to the community, and even the fixes he did  
contribute was like getting blood out of a stone.

Being honest it's about agenda's, and a preference for competing and  
doing your own stuff rather than putting the effort in to work with  
others on something.

Come on how many people have volunteered to help Edgar in his grand  
schemes? If they did that would be actual collaboration. Leadership is  
about helping others to fulfil their visions, not about dictating what  
the vision is for everyone, and scattering the rest to the four winds.

Andreas has the teleplace adenda, and quite simply he wants control of  
the image, so that it works the way he wants it to. (Btw: How many  
teleplace employees are candidates for the election?, just curious,  
before its too late)

My agenda was the opposite - to provide tools that you could make the  
image anything you wanted it to be. One is about control, the other is  
about liberty.

So your answer is no you are not prepared or interested in addressing  
the failure.

Keith 
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