[squeak-dev] RE: [vwnc] GSoC idea: Brainstorming portal for better community decision process

Edgar J. De Cleene edgardec2005 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 12 07:54:19 UTC 2010

On 3/11/10 7:51 PM, "Paul Baumann" <paul.baumann at theice.com> wrote:

> Hi Janko,
>>> What do you think?
> Big mistake to ask that... :)
> So "report" is the end goal?
> Consensus doesn't accomplish anything. Many truly great things are not
> understood by a voting majority. A mixture of pride and reward is required to
> get work done. Few would anonymously give away great ideas. Who is going to
> implement a commonly recognized "great" idea that is not their own? Usually
> the quality and results of work lacking incentive are mediocre at best. What
> about the destructive personalities that take pride in destroying good ideas?
> It is those types that love to participate in consensus groups because that is
> how they derive satisfaction. The outcome of what you are proposing would be
> the common (mis)understanding of problems. Consensus doesn't mean that
> understanding is correct. Consensus doesn't mean that what is proposed will
> really accomplish anything. Consensus doesn't get the goals actually achieved.
> Consensus work does little more than mimic what someone else already struggled
> to prove successful--diminishing incentive from people who deserve the credit.
> I've never seen anything good come from a consensus.
> Better to act in an environment that forms a cycle of individual liberty and
> reward. Create a market for change where people can work for reward. Pride is
> the dominant incentive in young markets. Incentive markets originate from
> pride in the hope to establish a market for financial reward.
> "Stalemate"? That means that there is a gatekeeper blocking change or
> destroying incentives. What stops a Linux developer from evolving code?
> Obviously the cost of getting Microsoft to change their code would be a
> disincentive. Smalltalk is between those extremes, but with fewer incentives
> to overcome the cost-of-change. To me, Smalltalk development is about rapid
> evolution. Years ago I stopped caring about releasing code though gatekeepers.
> I expect you'll find many people have already done really great things but are
> not sharing them. That is a market opportunity for someone smart enough to
> develop it.

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