[squeak-dev] [Election] ...is soon upon us! Last day info
Levente Uzonyi
leves at elte.hu
Sat Mar 13 02:40:27 UTC 2010
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, keith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I don't insist that my way will be better.
>>
>>
>> Come on now, the majority of what you write is to insist that your way will
>> be better.
>
> Not at all, I have two main points... 1) the board has no constitution, and
> 2) trunk is the worst possible process you could have chosen, because
>
> a) it isn't a process it is an excuse to group-hack a monolithic image
> b) the philosophy behind trunk is the opposite of where we want to go,
> monolithic vs support all forks with a kernel you can build on.
Parts of the "kernel" can be common, but common patches above that level
will hardly exist.
> c) moving targets are the worst possible scenario.
You just can't accept that the mcms are actually mini-releases.
> d) it uses tools that are too high level.
Hah.
> e) it is release a year rather then release a month
Erm no.
> f) it relies on an elite to manage it
Combine this with a) and you'll find that Squeak is being developed by
a group of elite hackers. Sounds impressive. ;)
> g) it closes out people who cant change things without breaking it.
>From one point of view:
This is the best feature. It allowed us to deploy several Trunk images. We
ported all but two of our apps to Trunk images and we can easily update
them - even on-the-fly - to have the lastest fixes and features.
>From another:
You're wrong. If you can't integrate your changes, you can add it to the
Inbox, or just send the changesets and someone will do the integration if
it turns out to be useful.
>
> You keep using trunk, and you close me out.
No, you're closing yourself out, because you don't want to use it.
>
> So far there has been one useful contributor to trunk, and that was when
> Torsten posted a changeset to this list, and I used it.
You could create changesets from the mczs based on the mcms, but I think
you simply don't want to do that.
Levente
>
> The fact that I can knock up a brand new process in less than a week which is
> better than trunk, simply shows how bad it is.
>
> regards
>
> Keith
>
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