[squeak-dev] [Election] ...is soon upon us! Last day info
leves at elte.hu
Sat Mar 13 02:40:27 UTC 2010
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, keith wrote:
>>> I don't insist that my way will be better.
>> Come on now, the majority of what you write is to insist that your way will
>> be better.
> Not at all, I have two main points... 1) the board has no constitution, and
> 2) trunk is the worst possible process you could have chosen, because
> a) it isn't a process it is an excuse to group-hack a monolithic image
> b) the philosophy behind trunk is the opposite of where we want to go,
> monolithic vs support all forks with a kernel you can build on.
Parts of the "kernel" can be common, but common patches above that level
will hardly exist.
> c) moving targets are the worst possible scenario.
You just can't accept that the mcms are actually mini-releases.
> d) it uses tools that are too high level.
> e) it is release a year rather then release a month
> f) it relies on an elite to manage it
Combine this with a) and you'll find that Squeak is being developed by
a group of elite hackers. Sounds impressive. ;)
> g) it closes out people who cant change things without breaking it.
>From one point of view:
This is the best feature. It allowed us to deploy several Trunk images. We
ported all but two of our apps to Trunk images and we can easily update
them - even on-the-fly - to have the lastest fixes and features.
You're wrong. If you can't integrate your changes, you can add it to the
Inbox, or just send the changesets and someone will do the integration if
it turns out to be useful.
> You keep using trunk, and you close me out.
No, you're closing yourself out, because you don't want to use it.
> So far there has been one useful contributor to trunk, and that was when
> Torsten posted a changeset to this list, and I used it.
You could create changesets from the mczs based on the mcms, but I think
you simply don't want to do that.
> The fact that I can knock up a brand new process in less than a week which is
> better than trunk, simply shows how bad it is.
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