Right. Let's say we get a first test round with an installer. I have
generated a stand-alone executable installer from Torsten's
instructions. NSIS does not produce MSI per se.

http://rapidshare.com/files/367835112/setup_squeak4.1-9745-alpha2010.03.23.exe.html

Enjoy,
Ian.

2010/3/24 Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
> On 3/24/2010 8:06 PM, Ian Trudel wrote:
>>
>> I've got your point all right the first time. It works relatively ok
>> on Windows 7 + Unicode NSIS, needs a bit of tweaking I would say.
>
> Sorry, but you didn't get my point :-) The point is to allow the community
> to try and test this stuff. Please put an MSI in some place where people can
> download, run it, and tell us if they like the result. I trust that someone
> who knows NSIS can create a functioning installer; I'm not sure if people
> will think the result is useful or if we need to rethink the structure.
>
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas
>
>> Testing a single installer is no rocket science and will be done. I
>> just thought it would have been a good idea to get feedback from the
>> release team. Gee. =)
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> 2010/3/24 Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
>>>
>>> On 3/24/2010 5:37 PM, Ian Trudel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is very little to change to make this works and Torsten did well
>>>> so far. I can still give a hand to make it happen. Would this be
>>>> handled/maintained by the release team afterwards? I think it's
>>>> important that official installers be generated by a trusted source if
>>>> not directly on a windows server managed by SOB.
>>>
>>> You're missing my point. This isn't about trust, it's about testing. If
>>> you
>>> want to ship an installer like this we better make sure that it works to
>>> people's expectations. Since I have extremely limited time and never used
>>> NSIS, I'm looking for someone else to provide an MSI for testing. If
>>> nobody
>>> makes a test build it's not going to be tested and consequently not going
>>> to
>>> be shipped.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  - Andreas
>>>
>>>> I would also prefer a different name for the installer. It currently
>>>> results in "setup_squeak4.1-9745-alpha2010.03.23.exe" and it's not
>>>> very clean. How about "Squeak-4.1-9745-alpha-installer.exe" ? (Either
>>>> installer or setup anyway)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Torsten,
>>>>
>>>> This is a clean NSI file and absolutely straightforward. I have tried
>>>> it with Unicode NSIS and it worked just fine. However, ZipDLL is not
>>>> used at all and we should probably get rid of the dependency. NSIS and
>>>> Unicode NSIS provide LZMA compression right-of-the-box and is used in
>>>> file you have provided. No need for "!include "ZipDLL.nsh".
>>>>
>>>> I am not a big fan of having all files into a single directory. I'd
>>>> like to know whether or not many installers have to be generated
>>>> because it may need a less monolithic approach.
>>>>
>>>> To reiterate what was discussed here, setup should additionally have:
>>>>
>>>> * Copy the default image to %UserProfile%\Documents\Squeak<VERSION>
>>>> * Add shortcut to run Squeak in start menu and on desktop
>>>> * Make all Squeak shortcuts open Squeak with the default location above
>>>> * All the shortcut should be configurable during install (install/don't
>>>> install)
>>>> * Change the installer name
>>>>
>>>> Share and I'll give a run of tests here as well. It was unclear
>>>> whether you wrote the script or just taken what Pharo guys did. If you
>>>> need some help, just write me back.
>>>>
>>>> Ian.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/3/24 Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/24/2010 11:24 AM, Ian Trudel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your suggestions are sound and acceptable. I would hit for Documents
>>>>>> directory rather than Desktop, it's not good to clutter people's
>>>>>> desktop against their will. I think it would be a good thing to push
>>>>>> this into the upcoming or next release and call for feedback from
>>>>>> people. It would be possible to fine tune accordingly afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you coordinate with Torsten to make such a build? It'd be terrific
>>>>> if
>>>>> we
>>>>> could give this to a few people to test it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  - Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>>> An additional shortcut on desktop would be great. Likewise, it's
>>>>>> important to make it configurable (install / don't install) during the
>>>>>> installation process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/3/24 Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/24/2010 10:26 AM, Ian Trudel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have raised an important point, Andreas. Wouldn't it be a viable
>>>>>>>> solution to simply copy the standard image to %AppData% or something
>>>>>>>> along this line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what I'm wondering about. It would mean that the executable
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> probably the sources file is installed in C:\Program Files and the
>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>> elsewhere. That could work as long as we make it explicit and have an
>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>> way to navigate there. Say, the default image location could be
>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Desktop\Squeak4.1 or in Documents\Squeak4.1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you'd put into the start menu though; perhaps a
>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the image directory and a shortcut that launches Squeak in that
>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the default location? The latter would mean you launch the image if
>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> only one and get a file open dialog if there's more than one - that
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>  - Andreas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/3/24 Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Torsten -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I very much like the idea in general but I'm having some doubts
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> feasibility. I'm not sure if I've asked this already but in modern
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>> environment the installation location is read only. In other words,
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you're installing this into C:\Program Files\ you may not be able
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> save/saveAs, you may not be able to write files, you may not be
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> launch external editors etc. Have you tested any of that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do know that Windows has some whacky rules about the install
>>>>>>>>> locations
>>>>>>>>> (i.e., it actually has a shadow directory with files modified by
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>> user) but in many ways that's worse because it can lead to strange
>>>>>>>>> inconsistencies (files and changes gone when switching between
>>>>>>>>> users)
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you're using it with the assumptions that it's a normal directory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>  - Andreas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/24/2010 3:11 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I created a simple "Setup/Installer for Squeak" for Windows
>>>>>>>>>> similar
>>>>>>>>>> to the one that is provided for Pharo. This allows easy
>>>>>>>>>> installation/deinstallation on Windows without having
>>>>>>>>>> to search all the necessary files from the website.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no FTP access on squeak.org to upload the result but is
>>>>>>>>>> easy to rebuild on your own.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See the attached screenshots for the final result
>>>>>>>>>> and the tutorial below how to redo it. Maybe the release
>>>>>>>>>> team wants to use that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>>>> T.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> A. Download and install the free NSIS installer package, here we
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> version 2.42 from [1]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> B. Also download the file "ZIPDLL.zip" plugin from [2]
>>>>>>>>>>      - Extract ZipDLL.dll to directory "Plugins" in your NSIS
>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>>      - Extract ZipDLL.nsh to directory "Include" in your NSIS
>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> C. Create a directory "squeakdist41" on your hard disk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> D. Extract the source file from [3] into this the "squeakdist41"
>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E. Extract the latest VM you find at [4] into the "squeakdist41"
>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>     - which is now 3.11.8, so use the ZIP provided in [5]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> F. Download the latest image and changes file and again extract it
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> the "squeakdist41" directory
>>>>>>>>>>     - we use "Squeak4.1-9745-alpha" here, so extract the files
>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> [6]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> G. Extract the attached "Setup_stuff.zip" into the "squeakdist41"
>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E. Adapt the definitions at the top of the provided "setup.nsi"
>>>>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>    (Not needed here, only necessary if you provide other VM
>>>>>>>>>> versions,
>>>>>>>>>> images, ...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> F. Compile "setup.nsi" with the NSIS installer and you get a shiny
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> 10MB installer
>>>>>>>>>>    ("setup_squeak4.1-9745-alpha2010.03.23.exe") to install/remove
>>>>>>>>>> Squeak
>>>>>>>>>> from a windows system
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> G. Put it on ftp.squeak.org (only if you have access, I failed
>>>>>>>>>> here)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://nsis.sourceforge.net
>>>>>>>>>> [2] http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ZipDLL
>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://ftp.squeak.org/4.0/SqueakV40.sources.gz
>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://squeakvm.org/win32/
>>>>>>>>>> [5]
>>>>>>>>>> http://squeakvm.org/win32/release/SqueakVM-Win32-3.11.8-bin.zip
>>>>>>>>>> [6] http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.1-9745-alpha.zip
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